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So, let's see if I understand this correctly... For a block of scan depth 3 and range of 6, you would be able to build the following: 000000 0 0 000000000000------------------where "0" is a blockand "------" is the groundbut not the following: 000 000000000000--------------Is this right?

This idea is fantastic. I suggest that, if further balance is needed, the state of durability of a tool affect damage of the weapon or damage reduction potential of a target's armour. Let's say durability reflects sharpness. Bronze vs. steel vs. stone vs. whatever material blades (or pointy features of the business end of "blunt" weapons) do have a difference in "damage" potential in real life in terms of how sharp an edge they can hold for how long, and edges can become surprisingly dulled slicing through even bare skin if we are talking about materials encountered in TFC.

Greetings esteemed forum goers, particularly Bioxx! I am quite happy to see a meaningful simulation of structural physics making it into TFC2!!! After watching the recent video you (Bioxx) tweeted, I was left wanting to ask you a few questions about what you plan to implement and how. So far, here is what I have. I see that a given block type has a set number of other blocks it can laterally support over the air. Is this affected by the amount of blocks supported total in addition to the distance? In other words, if I build a beam five blocks long off of some block that can support 5 blocks laterally, and then stack a million blocks directly on top at the very end, will the structure fall apart? Alternatively, if I build with this same kind of block a beam 5 blocks out and then build laterally off of the end block, will the structure collapse? If not, how much can you build off of it? Can the amount of blocks supported be modified by making arches? Will this representation of strength be configurable? Is there a limit to the amount of blocks that can hang down from a block over the air (given that it is a block that obeys this kind of physics you will be implementing)?I hope my questions are clear... In any case, I am very excited by this and look forward to where it goes. If you are looking for any sort of inspiration, by far the best Minecraft mod that simulates structural physics is/was the Block Physics mod by id_miner on the Minecraft Forums. Enviromine and all the others don't really do a good job with their attempts. The only problem with that mod was that it was not updated past 1.6.4, or at least not correctly. The 1.7 and 1.8 versions were updated by others, and they both made mistakes that make certain structures impossible that should be possible.

Ooooh... this reminds me. Just to tag on an idea for something that was a factor in real life: behavior of alloys at different temperatures. As an example of what I mean, there is some good evidence that back in medieval times, there were nobles who had one sword for the winter, and another for summer. What differed was phosphorus content. A small amount of phosphorus in wrought iron yields an exceptionally tough and flexible iron that holds a keen edge when made into a sword. A blade made of such a material was best used in the summer, though, because the phosphorus-rich metal was pretty cold-short, so much so that the blade would become a lot more prone to breaking in cold weather! So, in this system for TFC2, perhaps some alloys would perform wonderfully in one climate, but terribly in another! Also, on a general note about this proposed procedural metal system, I find that such an idea actually reflects a bit of what real-life metallurgists of prehistory had to go through in order to discover how to make this or that metal. If smelting fuel and the behavior (and design) of furnaces used for smelting also played a role, this could shape up to be quite a metallurgy simulator! Oh! And for those commenting on magic and the like... a fun fact is that metallurgists of old (in some cultures) were in their own right considered magicians and alchemists in the purest senses of those words, and powerful ones at that!

Wow... I must try that mod out that vladthemad suggested. Those are pretty fantastic screenshots.

Darmo, I think that kind of "special wear spots" idea might be good, and could take the place of the encumbrance feature of CDDA. And I think it is easier to see being done as it is essentially an expansion upon the current way Minecraft handles equipping items. However, I think layers make sense for clothing and ESPECIALLY armour. And this could still be done, I think, nicely with what you suggest. For an example of what I mean, check this post out. And I still think encumbrance as CDDA handles it could introduce a way of differentiating fitted/well-made vs. non-fitted/poorly made items and stuff like that could be another useful and believable way of balancing things in the game. Thinking on it some more, I would be for a combination of both what you suggest and what CDDA does. But, CDDA does have some elements of the system you suggest, Darmo, since there are some things that have hard limits that behave like having a fixed number of slots. For example, you can't have more than one or two rigid helmets on your head at the same time, depending on their size.

Has anyone here played Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead? That game has, in my opinion, among the best inventory systems of any game, and I think it could very well possibly work for TFC. How CDDA's inventory system works is similar to some of what I have read in this thread. There are five main parameters to worry about: Item Volume -> Applies to all items, and is in arbitrary units, except with regard to liquids... which have to be in containers to be in your inventory anyway Item Weight -> Applies to all items and is measured in real-life units, and affects movement as it approaches or exceeds the character's weight capacity Encumbrance -> Only matters for items that are worn, including containers like backpacks, pouches, and similar. This affects movement speed, attack rolls, and the like Storage -> Only matters for items that are containers, and is the volume an that item, when equipped, allows you to carry, and/or when placed somewhere can store Weight capacity -> the max weight you can carry without suffering penalties. This is determined by the player's strength attribute. So, if you are a naked character, you can only carry what is in your hands, which can be any volume. As you put on equipment with storage, you can carry a certain volume. As you equip more and more equipment with storage you will be able to carry more and more volume, BUT you will also become more encumbered, which means you start to get penalties. Also, there is a hard limit on how many pieces of equipment (clothing or armour or whatever) of a certain type you can equip on a given body part, and encumbrance only applies to the body part it is equipped on. For example, if you wear just one backpack which goes on the torso, it will hardly encumber you and therefore has an modest effect on things like attack and movement, if at all. But if you decide to wear two backpacks, you will be able to carry much more, but your torso becomes much more encumbered which gives you penalties to actions involving the torso. And if you try to wear three or four backpacks (I think), the game won't let you. However, if you, instead of two backpacks, equip a backpack on your torso, and pouches on your thighs which combined have the same carrying carrying capacity as two backpacks, you will not be as encumbered since you spread out the encumbrance. And in all cases, the more mass you carry, the more it can affect movement speed and attack rolls and stuff. I hope this makes sense. If it doesn't check it out for yourself. It really is quite simple and intuitive though getting used to CDDA's interface and other aspects of gameplay is very difficult. Some other cool things that this system helps with is balancing armour and other wearable items. For example, some armours may protect more, but have more encumbrance if poorly made. Anyway, I think if this were implemented in TFC, it could even be simplified a bit. Perhaps the encumbrance feature could just be applied to the whole body and not be body-part specific. And perhaps when the player has no containers equipped, the player can carry only a hot-bar's worth of items. I think it is an elegant solution that many more games ought to implement.

Ah, I see. I do think you are right; perception IS everything here.

The point of the mod is not to make 16 million meter tall worlds or anything like that. 16 million blocks is just a red herring. The point is to make the game handle world generation in a more robust way that can, among potentially many other things, allow for increased build heights. With how chunks are handled now, it is not possible to get much higher in max build height without significantly hurting performance. Cubic chunks allows the possibility to expand beyond the current build height without affecting performance at all, if not improving performance, whether it be 1000 meters or 16 million meters. In addition to increasing build heights, it can make modding and simulating certain things much easier/possible, especially any sort of features that are altitude dependent, or that would benefit from having the world divided up into cubes instead of the tall chunks we have now. For example, say you want to make a mod that allows for biome variation vertically in addition to horizontally. The current way of handling chunks makes that rather tricky, whereas cubic chunks can allow for simply taking the current biome generation methods and applying a vertical component. There are other examples of where cubic chunks would be helpful as well, but I would recommend looking through the Tall Worlds and related posts.

Hello everyone. Might as well necro this thread just in case! So, since the last post of this thread, there has been some considerable progress made on Tall Worlds. A functional prototype is out, and it certainly proves that cubic chunks can work in Minecraft without much more resources. HOWEVER, it is still incredibly buggy and many of the game's features do not work with the mod as is. These issues are massive and are not trivial to fix. To quote the mod's creator, Cuchaz: Number 3 is absolutely never going to happen. Ever. There is no incentive for Mojang to implement a feature that will not really bring in anyone new, and that will mainly serve to just satisfy a small insignificant fraction of the fanbase. Currently Cuchaz is trying to see if #2 is feasible. He has a poll going on in the Tall Worlds thread in minecraftforum.net to see if people would be willing to consider donating a small amount of money every month to support at least a part-time endeavor to complete the mod or get it in such a state that the community would be more likely to complete it. Also, though this mod may never be compatible with Forge, the Mod Loader it is built for (M3L) is built to use as much of the Forge API as possible and is meant to make it possible for Forge mods to be compatible with this mod loader without too many fundamental changes. So, if this mod is ever completed, it might actually be a possibility to get this to work with the TFC we all know and love. So, please feel free to check the post out and vote one way or another in the poll. It would be amazing to see this actually happen!!!

I would love for there to be the threat of death through freezing and overheating. Clothes would lose much of their point, at least as far as survival in the wilderness is concerned (which this game is trying to simulate somewhat), if these threats were taken out. To address the issue of dying in the first day to exposure, I can see two possible solutions: 1. Always spawn in a tropical/temperate zone in a mild season 2. Always spawn with the bare minimum clothing needed to survive the initial conditions in which the player spawns (which might be giving the player too much) Some sort of difficulty options could of course modify this!

On the topic of bark used for fabric... as well as the development of woven textile fabrics for use in clothing... There is certainly precedent for tree bark. There are numerous cultures that cultivated the barks of various trees, processing them in different ways to make soft fabrics capable of being stitched together to make garments. In fact, a recent bronze age find in England (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-35280290) found fabric made from lime bark. It is possible to harvest the bark, ret it, and get soft fibrous material from it that can be made into all sorts of things. There are other examples as well! Also, the use of dyed and woven flax fabric textiles likely preceded agriculture by around 20,000 years. I can't seem to link to the Science Mag article about it... Anyway, the use of plant-based woven and dyed fibers are likely within the purview of ancient hunter gatherer cultures!

I like this suggestion, as well. I think that to differentiate between saw and axe, one could make the axe yield less planks than the saw. The logic behind this would be that with the axe (which could serve as an abstraction of using a wedge... though axes can be used to make planks from logs!), the ability to make a good, relatively even plank would be dependent on the presence/absence of knots and irregularities in the log more so than making planks using a saw. Saws can saw through irregularities while axes/wedges/whatever cannot split through irregularities. I hope that makes sense.So, in game terms, perhaps we could have the really really old TFC1 idea of an axe making less planks from a log than a saw. The saw would represent a large leap in efficiency of plank making. IRL it was much more complicated than that... but whatever!ALSO to differentiate the saw from the axe, perhaps the saw should be able to make slabs from stone.Anyway... this is a tricky topic, since in reality there is a lot of redundancy between tools in terms of what they can do. In fact, there is really nothing a saw can do that other tools can't, at least with regards to wood.

http://terrafirmacraft.com/f/topic/8509-gases/ Check this out! Would this be a good fit in your pack?

Adorbs. Also, if animals become more useful at some point for things like hauling and guard duty, i could see this being important for more nuanced gameplay.