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      Only help if you can be helpful

      Hey All, A topic has come up of late in the IRC channel in regards to the general feel of the forums and the community that supports them. Things have progressed further than I would have liked with out this being addressed more publicly because I would much rather have snubbed this out sooner rather than later.. but I have been busy. Here is the general rule I would like people to follow: Wheaton's Law "Don't be a dick." Those of you from the IRC channel know that this is the only rule I ask people in there to follow and we generally have a good and lively time chatting about all manner of things. This is basic rule that just about everyone understands and I am going to expand it to the forums from here moving forward. If you can not help people in a helpful and polite manner then I simply ask you to stop. Now I generally take a back seat to moderating the forums as I like to participate in the suggestions forum fairly heavily at times and would rather do so as a forums user than a moderator. But I am also fairly well known for being the person who constantly puts their foot down and so I am stepping up and doing so on here. If you find yourself unable to respond to a message politely then I ask that you do not respond. This mostly focuses on the increasing level of hostility found within the Suggestion forum as well as the Server forum. I do not care if this is the 30th some odd time you have seen someone make the same suggestion. Or even if the new post on an older topic is one entry above the old one. I expect the members of this forum to respond politely to the user, new or old, and point to the older topic if it applies and even go the extra step to suggest they either add in new information or to summarize the outcome of the previous discussion based upon the new post's entry into it. That is what we are here for, that is why I close most topics instead of deleting them, so that they can be found and referenced down the road. The next topic is the slew of derailment attempts I have seen as of late. If you want to have fun and joke around that is what the off topic forum is for and pretty much anything goes there. I do not expect to read a suggestion thread and have to go through 3 pages of image memes people have shot back and forth. Quite simply this is a waste of my time to read and then have to clean up. Now for the summary. I am going to start taking a more active role, especially in policing the suggestion forum, and handing out warn levels to people whom I see doing this. These will be indiscriminate and applied not to just the first person who derails or is impolite on a topic or response, but to everyone whom follows the lead of that person. As I do not like doing things with out giving you all warning this post shall serve as that warning. If you have a desire to bring this topic up with me then I invite you to do so on the IRC channel. Lets raise the level of quality and grow the community. Let us not descend into the quality often found on the minecraft or league of legend forums. There is simply no need for that here. Be passionate about things, just do not be abusive.
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  1. [0.79] Stacking support beams to maximize ore mining

    Eh, nothing special about my technique in general. I basically clear-mine level by level, leaving a 2-thick floor between. I cherry pick the ores from this floor, and replace them with cobblestone to leave a smooth supported ceiling on the 'bottom' of the floor, and a smooth walking surface on the 'top' of the floor. In between I mine alternating blocks to maximize raw stone gain (and naturally reduces pick usage a bit, since raw blocks pop off without the pick). Easy to navigate, no dangerous drops, no jumping. I like to keep it simple. I'm not generally that concerned about time, and pick durability doesn't really concern me much, unless I'm at the very, very start, with my first copper or bronze pick - but then, I enjoy smithing and usually have 2-3 spare pick heads in a vessel on me at all times. I just take it one 5x5 bay at a time, and stop going in a given direction when I get less than X ores per bay. X varying depending on the ore in question and the richness, and how into mining I am at the time. After I 'finish' a level, I wall off around the ladder shaft, and leave a door, so that when the level goes dark I don't have to worry about mobs jumping me on my way up/down.
  2. [0.79] Stacking support beams to maximize ore mining

    Interesting method. I'm always curious to see how others mine as well. You definitely fall on the organized side of things. After you've got your framework set up, do you just sort of 'swiss cheese' mine the ores, or do you mine in organized levels? It seems like you're setting up for swiss cheese, but your screenshots look like you've got some level organization going on.
  3. Ok, I've made a few basic tiles: They are basket weave 1 and 2, dark bond left, dark bond right, herring, and soldier. I think they're pretty versatile, as seen in the below image. The soldiers as half slabs make good window sills and lintels, or on a stair block, good stairs or corbels. Herringbone and basket are mostly paving patterns, but you can sometimes find herringbone patterns in old structures, as infill. IRL it's normally diagonal with relation to the framing, simply because it looks better that way. The one on the right also has some basket weave. Basket weave and Herringbone irl are not structurally strong, so they're ok infilling around structure like this, but you wouldn't have built an entire wall out of these patterns, back in the day. Here are I used only the left and right dark bond patterns to make 3 different larger wall patterns: Due to our small tile size and even brick layout per tile, we'd probably be limited mostly to left and right diagonals, and then horizontal stripes, at least within standard running bond pattern. Which is a lot of tiles to make anyway, even for just a couple bond colors. Other bond patterns would bring other possibilities.
  4. Smilodon

    I like that a lot. I feel like he looks a lot more agile now. I did notice the neck is clipping through the ears a bit, and maybe the head being default level or down a bit, rather than 10d up, might look better, in terms of default positioning. I think the rear legs might look a bit better if the middle piece were more centered under the haunch. Also the tail will need to be modified to address z-fighting. Other than that I think it's looking good - powerful and dangerous!
  5. [0.2.4] TFC2 Prerelease

    I think it's supposed to be logs, not sticks? Been awhile since i made one.... They do seem fairly rare. I seem to mostly find soggy ones but that's probably because I hang around rivers and lakes a lot. The others do exist. It's not really possible to survive right now, so don't sweat it. It'd probably be more feasible if animals didn't 1-shot you. It'd be really nice if there were more 'foraging' options available right now. It could be awhile before we can hunt animals, as I'd imagine Bioxx still needs to finish animal behavior, then finish the combat code, possibly hunting mechanics, then implement different meats (maybe....butchering?) etc, etc. There's still a lot of basic game building blocks out there yet to be done I think, before we really get the 'fun' stuff.
  6. Smilodon

    Ok, so now in the context of your most recent post. It's good, I still think the leg section above the paws could be thinner front to back. At the same time, a texture might change my mind. If he looks shaggy enough maybe the thick legs read as fur. But my instinct is thinner. I do like the back legs Stroam did, so I'd suggest going that route. The front legs I'm ok with. Like I mentioned preceding this post, columnar front legs are a good option I think. I would however try to keep the shoulder box so that only the top corner sticks out of the chest, and not any of the other 3 corners. I still think the paws look too fat. I'm having a little trouble reading the head-neck-jaw area from those pics, a model would help. Jaw might be a little long. I think cheek puffs could be great, and they could fill in some of that area behind the jaw so you could shorten the jaw. This is an area where we can take artistic license vs conventional portrayals. I don' know if transparent cheeks would be the best route, this guy is a lot bigger than an ocelot - might be too insubstantial. Might want to make it a solid block, with some slant to it, so that it doesn't read as too massive, maybe. There's a lot of options there. But make sure he doesn't have the derpy eyes.
  7. Smilodon

    OK, so I wrote up all of the following and was just about to post it right before you posted your most recent post. So read all this without the context of your latest post. I'll start a separate reply for that. My main problem with the more 'real' legs is that they very likely are not going to be animated to move properly. They'll just rotate where they join the body. So you end up with a leg that looks all primed and ready to move, but it's just a solid wooden piece, and to me that's disappointing. It also doesn't match well with the 'norm' in minecraft, of peg legs. But for monsters, I'm trying to be more open to more detail. Especially large ones. What Stroam did there, is only 1 more box than the legs the 'normal' big cats have, and without the paw it's the same number as most of our current ungulates. It's really just got the one angled piece in the middle, which is the same as elk and moose. So the rear legs especially are really pretty close to our current norm. The front legs have the extra shoulder box, but in this context that was kind of a 'special feature'. The front legs are bending the opposite of the way they do irl though, which is jarring. I'm much more comfortable with those back legs than the front, basically. But, in both the front and rear what I like is that the haunch boxes are square with the body, and the paw and lower leg are square with the ground. The mid-legs bridge the gap from the slanted body to the flat ground. I feel like it's not as jarring as when the body is orthogonal to the ground, and there's a bunch of leg sections all at different angles, orthogonal to neither the ground nor the body. The unfortunate thing is the front legs, the haunch by being square to the body is setting up the wrong bending mechanic. I opened the model to play around with the front legs a bit, and I think the only way to make them work is either have them be a straight column, or have the haunch bend backwards, in which case the rest should probably be a column. It breaks the orthogonal haunch relationship to the body, but as long as the rest is orthogonal, I think it could work. All that said, I like what you did originally Krono (just maybe leg proportions a bit different). I like that it matches better with the 'normal animals' we've already got. And prehistoric animals are kind of a bridge between 'normal' animals, and monsters. At the same time, I'm trying to be open for monsters to be more complex. And so as a bridge creature, again, I'm also willing to entertain more complex legs. If you would like to do the more complex legs, I'd say go for it. Just try to limit them to one non-orthogonal piece. And I should say, just to be clear for future monsters, I'll probably never be ok with things like using boxes just to try to make a slant between two other boxes. But more boxes for more discreet structure or detail, I think is worth looking at. I do kind of like the shoulder feature, so if I were suggesting, I'd probably say go for the shoulders. In terms of paws, regular big cat paws appear more square than long, I think, and more flat than tall. And ya, my understanding is that vanilla wolves, when their eyes turn red, that's a different texture. And sheep shearing also just swaps textures. The sheared version still has the wool box, it's just got no texture so it's invisible. Same principle. You could even have two jaws, one closed for 'normal mode' and one open for angry. Just one or the other will be invisible at any given time. My concern with claws is whether they'd look better as a simple vertical plane, or a fractional box. I'm guessing fractional box, so that they're visible from the front.
  8. Ore prosessing

    Might also be an opportunity to introduce some simple sand casting. Pig iron was normally done in sand beds. But that was industrial scale, of course.
  9. Smilodon

    That's a good take Stroam. You front legs are backwards and there's some proportions I'd suggest changing, but other than that I like what you did there - would you mind posting the model so we could see the legs in action? Your call if you want to adopt some of that or not Krono. I can go either way.
  10. Smilodon

    Sorry didn't reply earlier. RL stuff. I definitely like the slanted body more. It helps in giving it a hulking appearance. The shoulder blade thing was just a thought. I can kind of imagine how it'd be hard to actually implement, with animation, and have look good. It'd probably be a lot different from the way we've structure most animals so far. I don't think you could just lengthen the upper leg box, that'd be too long and weird, so you'd about have to do it in two pieces probably. It definitely would be challenging and I don't have answers. I'm fine with it being generally structured as we've been doing (which is what you have right now) - I do think the slanted body with larger chest gets the muscular idea across pretty well. The legs and paws still seem a bit oversized to me. I hear what you're saying on muscular and I agree it does enhance that, but to me it also makes it look slow and clumsy, rather than lithe and agile. Maybe if they were a bit long, so they didn't seem as stocky? Here's a screenshot of the mountain lion I did way-back-when in Techne, in the days before MCMC. I structured all my big cats the same. I think your smilidon is actually a bit smaller than my big cat models, which to me jumps out mainly in the face, and the paws. I had three claws per pawn, which required 6-wide boxes. I think yours are 5 with two claws - I think 3 claws would be better. I think another very important thing for predators is to try and avoid the derpy eyes - I actually made my heads 10 wide to accommodate an extra eye pixel and center the pupils. I think it helps them look more focused and aggressive. Even the nose and ears appear to be 1 pixel wider than your smilodon. So, I'd recommend scaling up the head to at least allow for that, and then scaling up the rest to match. And if you want to go even bigger I'm fine with that. These are primary predators of the player, and I think it'd be fine for them to be bigger than 'normal' big cats. I kind of agree with Stroam on the fangs - might be slightly too curved. I don't think separate claws are necessary, but if you want to try it out I'm open to the notion. It could be interesting if the texture changed so they only appear when the smilodon is angry, rather than constantly being out.
  11. For some reason if I try to download that I get a corrupted version. Also have you tried that brick one in a tiled setting? I'd be concerned that the dark bricks may establish too repetitive and obvious of a pattern...
  12. Smilodon

    Hi Krono, great to see ya back! I think Bioxx was ok with taking some 'artistic license' with the smilodon, so don't feel totally constrained on dimensions and such. I forget which picture he gave as an example, but as I recall it had a 'mane'. Maybe similar to the Ark smilodon? Not sure, and it doesn't mean that's how you have to go. But prehistoric animals we have a bit more license I think. And as a large and serious predator, I'm ok with them having more detail. You could add paws for instance. I like what you've got with the head, and I'd be fine with even another section of fang taper if you want. I'm ok with the ear tips as well, though I question if it will look very good once textured. I would suggest making the legs perhaps a bit thinner, at least the front ones, and adding paws. Since big cats' paws are a primary attack item, I think it's worth depicting them (I did that for all the 'regular' big cats). As for "muscular", I think perhaps the best way to do that would be to use a 2-piece body, with thicker chest, and thinner waist. A lot of big cats have what I'd consider a 'muscular' feature of their shoulder blades extending above their backbone a bit, so you can see them move. Might be interesting to try out - though it wouldn't work well if you decided to go with a mane. I'd also be ok with another section or two on the tail. I'd even entertain separate 'cheek tufts' if you wanted. I gave tigers a separate box to represent those. I'd also be interested in seeing just a quick texture with eyes and nose. It's a large enough model I'm not immediately clear how they will be arranged/sized. Maybe also a quick take on the ears to see if that diagonal section will mesh well texture-wise. And remember that since it's prehistoric, we have no real precedent on coloration or pattern. So feel free to try spots, stripes, or whatever. Just in general, unless Bioxx says otherwise, any large prehistoric or fantasy creatures - and especially highly player-aggressive ones - I'm allowing for more detail, and artistic license. I'd still like to stay away from dramatically angled leg structures on mammals (insects are obviously a different matter in that regard) but about anything else, I think we can bump it up a notch.
  13. I was just meaning a 2-step block, just like vanilla stairs (IV in your graphic). It's just always irked me that that even in TFC1, thatch was a solid block, and you couldn't even chisel it, despite that it's most appropriate use was for roofs. I think the 2-step model is fine considering the general blocky nature of the world. I've never been a fan of those mods that put a slanted plane in place of steps. The finer-grained slopes you show would just I think be a lot more polys at not that much benefit. And pattern IV already exists, so should be much less work for you I'd imagine. Here is a good depiction of some standard brick layouts: Of course the limitations of 16x16 graphics means anything diagonal is probably out - though I might give it a shot. Various others don't really lend themselves due to not being square in pattern. And anything 'stacked' is relatively modern. But the basics mentioned above are in there. Soldier coursing is when your orient the bricks vertically, and is typically done above windows (as a lintel), or for steps (sleepers - soldiers laying down). 360×360 - I should say though, that flat brick lintels are a relatively modern thing, as they rely on a steel angle to support the brick. "back in the day" a brick lintel would have used a full or jack arch to give it it's own strength, without steel: Of course it would be impractical to try to do jack arches in minecraft. Brick soldier courses can also be used within a wall to add interest: And then you can do corbeling to add even more interest: IRL corbeling is mostly done with horizontal coursing because the bricks have to extend into the wall as well in order to be tied in with the wall, but within the context of using a 2-step model and not being strictly constrained by physics, I thought soldiers would be more visually impactful. One could actually do a 3-step sleeper corbel model if they wanted, which would be similar to the left graphic above. There's a huge, huge variety of sort of applique brick details one could do if one were ambitious enough. It could get pretty wild, if there were several colors of brick. Do a google search for "polychrome brickwork" and you can see some of the amazing stuff that's done with multi-color brick patterns. The basics are red, black, and sort of off-white/tan. Most of what one finds on the internet can't really be reproduced effectively in minecraft I think, but some could. Brick and half-timbering go really well together, btw
  14. I would suggest roofing blocks be stepped, to make for a finer slope. In addition to the wood and slate roofing you mentioned, I'd suggest thatch, and a few colors of ceramic (red, blue, green). I'd also suggest some alternate brick patterns. Rather than have a separate recipe, maybe a new tool - trowel - is added, and the player simply sets the trowel to the pattern they want, and then right-clicks on a brick block to change it to that pattern. Example patterns might be basket weave, herringbone, and Flemish bond. a stepped soldier course for roof eaves and steps would be amazing. And that's just layout patterns. Bond patterns could be an entire other level. Brickwork could be a mod all by itself, honestly. I could probably help with the graphics, if desired. Regarding your patterns given, I'm interested to see how the half-timbering is implemented - that is, if it's at all automated, or the player has to selected each pattern. You could honestly ditch the horizontal 22.5 degree angled beams. That's almost never used irl.
  15. [0.2.4] TFC2 Prerelease

    Ya, I'd think it might be worth trying to re-use the old TFC1 texture. I am imagining a lot of people will have the same problem. Or at least make it not looks so much like sand.