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      Only help if you can be helpful

      Hey All, A topic has come up of late in the IRC channel in regards to the general feel of the forums and the community that supports them. Things have progressed further than I would have liked with out this being addressed more publicly because I would much rather have snubbed this out sooner rather than later.. but I have been busy. Here is the general rule I would like people to follow: Wheaton's Law "Don't be a dick." Those of you from the IRC channel know that this is the only rule I ask people in there to follow and we generally have a good and lively time chatting about all manner of things. This is basic rule that just about everyone understands and I am going to expand it to the forums from here moving forward. If you can not help people in a helpful and polite manner then I simply ask you to stop. Now I generally take a back seat to moderating the forums as I like to participate in the suggestions forum fairly heavily at times and would rather do so as a forums user than a moderator. But I am also fairly well known for being the person who constantly puts their foot down and so I am stepping up and doing so on here. If you find yourself unable to respond to a message politely then I ask that you do not respond. This mostly focuses on the increasing level of hostility found within the Suggestion forum as well as the Server forum. I do not care if this is the 30th some odd time you have seen someone make the same suggestion. Or even if the new post on an older topic is one entry above the old one. I expect the members of this forum to respond politely to the user, new or old, and point to the older topic if it applies and even go the extra step to suggest they either add in new information or to summarize the outcome of the previous discussion based upon the new post's entry into it. That is what we are here for, that is why I close most topics instead of deleting them, so that they can be found and referenced down the road. The next topic is the slew of derailment attempts I have seen as of late. If you want to have fun and joke around that is what the off topic forum is for and pretty much anything goes there. I do not expect to read a suggestion thread and have to go through 3 pages of image memes people have shot back and forth. Quite simply this is a waste of my time to read and then have to clean up. Now for the summary. I am going to start taking a more active role, especially in policing the suggestion forum, and handing out warn levels to people whom I see doing this. These will be indiscriminate and applied not to just the first person who derails or is impolite on a topic or response, but to everyone whom follows the lead of that person. As I do not like doing things with out giving you all warning this post shall serve as that warning. If you have a desire to bring this topic up with me then I invite you to do so on the IRC channel. Lets raise the level of quality and grow the community. Let us not descend into the quality often found on the minecraft or league of legend forums. There is simply no need for that here. Be passionate about things, just do not be abusive.
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      Recently I've seen a few server listings showing up on the first page of the Servers forum that have been closed for an extended period of time, but have recently gotten a reply from a new member who didn't realize the server is offline. To help prevent this from happening in the future, it would be greatly appreciated if you could use the report function on the original post of any servers that have been confirmed as offline, so that the topic may be locked. If you are the admin of a server and plan on taking the server offline, please use the report function on the original post of your topic to let the TFC Staff know that the topic should be locked. If you are the admin of a server that has a locked topic, and would wish to bring the server back online, please use the report function on the original post of the topic to let the TFC Staff know that the topic should be unlocked. As always, please remember to follow rule #3 of the servers forum and update your topic title to contain the version of TFC that the server is currently running. You can do so by editing the OP, and then clicking on "Use Full Editor."


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  1. Hunger dont deal damage

    As I understand it, this is as intended. You lose nutrition faster when you are starving, the idea being that eventually you end up with so few hitpoints due to nutrient deficiency that you are easy for mobs to kill. But you don't actually die from hunger itself. It used to work that way. I presume they decided it wasn't a 'fun' mechanic.
  2. Hunting and world generation.

    So the bedrock holes can't be fixed? My impression was that Bioxx was aware of them, but simply wasn't going to bother fixing them because the plan was to forbid access to those areas. Transport between boats could be instantaneous, which is the shortest you can get. Personally I'm fine with having indestructible ships or caravans or whatever. I'd trade it for more free-form exploration and especially more varied island design any day. From what I've seen of the island generation thus far, most of these islands are maybe 100-300 blocks apart at their close points. Hardly what I'd call 'vast'. That's a far cry from the endless ocean wastes of TFC1. It's nothing as far as MC boat travel is concerned. My other concern about the current portal situation is that you may end up with the player getting teched up, but possibly not finding the portal yet. And now they're ready to move on to the next island, east or west but can't find it. That could be frustrating if they just want to continue advancing, and not move parallel north-south. These portals are sometimes hidden under trees. If nothing else their structure could stand to be made larger so that they have a good chance of being hidden by trees. Ships on the other hand, being in open water, would always be very visible. The easier mob transport via portal is a good point. Ships would be harder to accomplish that with. In the scope of a 'classic' ship design anyway. If there's grand plans for the paths dimension that's great. But kind of my two main points here are that 1) TFC2 progress is slow, and the portals and paths dimensions seem prone to bugs and just generally seem like another huge code time sink. And 2) the paths dimensions seems to be necessitating some very same-ey island design, and the very rigid nature of ocean travel. The ocean travel thing is already a concern of several people I think. Imo, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to cut loose the paths idea for now, leave ocean travel open, work on the more important nuts and bolts stuff, and maybe revisit paths later when the game is more playable. Perhaps after playtesting combat to see if it is a sufficient advancement brake on its own.
  3. Glad ya like it Falcon. I will say, there was a portion of the original thread that I think was lost when the post above yours was merged in, or during the forum switch or something. As I recall it was Kitty or Bioxx explaining that minecraft doesn't provide the capability for a block to drop different drops based on the tool used. They can only say "I'm broken, now I drop this!". So my suggestion in that regard became more problematic. I never responded to that issue, maybe I'll do that now: So I'm not entirely sure how the new model system works exactly, but my impression is it's a bit more flexible than was initially thought in the chiseling discussion. Apparently you can combine models together to a certain degree? Idk. But proceeding off that assumption, a way I thought to get around the block-drop conundrum was to have each specific tool change the 'slice' of meat to a new slice. So there would be a 'meat' slice (default), and a 'bone' slice, and a 'tendon' slice, for example. If the player wants to get a higher bone yield they right click with the bone-getting tool, and chance that slice to a bone slice. Then that slice drops more bones. Perhaps arrange it so each slice can only be changed once (so it requires a little thought), and perhaps also limit the number of bone/tendon slices a given haunch can yield. That seems like it might work around the block-drop limitation? It gets more complicated with more 'dissection-ey' stuff. If a mob drops four haunches, even if you limit each haunch to one 'eye' slice for instance, the player could still theoretically get up to four eyes from one animal. In such case you might have to limit mobs to dropping only two haunches (but you could still get two hearts or livers?). Or you'd have to start making separate parts. Haunches, rib cages, and heads - each limited on what slices they can produce. That starts to kind of require several generic models of these things, or many animal-specific models. Perhaps specialty items are only obtainable at the corpse stage? I would absolutely be down for making those models though. Still a lot of issues at that level of detail, but maybe we'll be lucky to even get the first level of detail. I'm hoping the current hiatus is kind of due to maybe waiting for 1.13 and the big changes with metadata and block ids? Which if past patterns are followed might be in December?
  4. Hunting and world generation.

    Not sure why you phrased it with a 'but'. I don't really like the portal system either. So I think we're in agreement, though maybe for different reasons. The portal system as I understand it was basically brought in as a hard enforcer of island progression - the player had to defeat an island boss to get a key(s?) to activate the portals. The boss being presumably very hard to beat without tiering up your weapons and armor. But I think this could probably be tolerably enforced simply by having the armor-and-weapon-using mobs of successive islands equipped with better gear. It's true that minecraft mobs are dumb, and a player could probably kill high-tier mobs while under-geared, if they really put in the effort and want to do it. But it'll be more difficult - my alternate weapons and armor suggestion would specifically help address the issue. In my original suggestion there, a weapon 1 tier below the armor would do 25% of it's damage. So even if the player is dancing around the mobs, they're using 4x the durability of their weapon just based on number of hits, nevermind if gear takes more damage opposing higher tier metals. The really abusive part of minecraft is missiles, which mobs are usually ill equipped to handle. But if taking on higher tier armor with inferior missiles, the player is going to be spending TONS of resources and time making all those arrows (metal arrow heads would NEED to be a thing in this system). Combined with forbidding block placement before an area is conquered, I just really think the game can be balanced to mostly enforce/strongly encourage the metal tier progression without the hard enforcement of portals and boat forbiddance. The boat issue can be strongly discourage simply by strong ocean mobs hanging around the sector borders, or deep ocean chunks, I think. I don't think it would be worth the player risking getting killed at sea and losing their gear, vs simply following the intended tiering pattern and being safer. Or, as you say, have the option of purchasing passage on a ship. The cost being perhaps 4-5x the metal amount required for a full kit of gear. So the player can gear up and boat themselves at X cost, or pay for passage at 5X cost. Maybe they can even build boat with hulls plated in the metal of the island tier, and that metal makes the boat immune to the specific mobs that are meant to prevent boating across sectors easily. The nice thing about ship transport, it seems to me that it could simply be out in the ocean (but inside the border mob ring - player boats to shore in a normal little boat) and so not near as touchy about how and where it appears. And no paths dimensions (well, at first maybe) so that avoids fiddling with that for awhile. Just seems to me like it'd save some effort on Bioxx's part, and give players more flexibility, if they want a free-ocean-and-boating world.
  5. TFC Addon 1.7.10 - Idea

    The devs have ceased development of TFC1, as they are developing TFC2. They don't even do minor bug fixes anymore for TFC1. I'm not one of them, but I can tell you that the answer to your questions is almost certainly no. Especially the 'financial' question, considering TFC of both versions are free.
  6. Hunting and world generation.

    As I understand it, one of the major benefits of the island system is that it allows the use of discreet climatic zones, rather than a temperature gradient system. The temperature gradient system was the thing that created the hard line of acacia forests near the equator. I really like having climatic zones, because it allows a lot of interesting variation from island to island - even east-west - that wasn't possible in TFC1. So ya, I think the island system is worth it. The islands are usually pretty big, so it's not like it feels confining. My only wish is to ditch the portal system, since it seems to have necessitated the islands all being rather same-ey in order to accommodate portal placement. I really enjoyed the islands of earlier versions, where there were large internal lakes and such. That doesn't seem to occur anymore.
  7. [0.79] Stacking support beams to maximize ore mining

    Eh, nothing special about my technique in general. I basically clear-mine level by level, leaving a 2-thick floor between. I cherry pick the ores from this floor, and replace them with cobblestone to leave a smooth supported ceiling on the 'bottom' of the floor, and a smooth walking surface on the 'top' of the floor. In between I mine alternating blocks to maximize raw stone gain (and naturally reduces pick usage a bit, since raw blocks pop off without the pick). Easy to navigate, no dangerous drops, no jumping. I like to keep it simple. I'm not generally that concerned about time, and pick durability doesn't really concern me much, unless I'm at the very, very start, with my first copper or bronze pick - but then, I enjoy smithing and usually have 2-3 spare pick heads in a vessel on me at all times. I just take it one 5x5 bay at a time, and stop going in a given direction when I get less than X ores per bay. X varying depending on the ore in question and the richness, and how into mining I am at the time. After I 'finish' a level, I wall off around the ladder shaft, and leave a door, so that when the level goes dark I don't have to worry about mobs jumping me on my way up/down.
  8. [0.79] Stacking support beams to maximize ore mining

    Interesting method. I'm always curious to see how others mine as well. You definitely fall on the organized side of things. After you've got your framework set up, do you just sort of 'swiss cheese' mine the ores, or do you mine in organized levels? It seems like you're setting up for swiss cheese, but your screenshots look like you've got some level organization going on.
  9. Ok, I've made a few basic tiles: They are basket weave 1 and 2, dark bond left, dark bond right, herring, and soldier. I think they're pretty versatile, as seen in the below image. The soldiers as half slabs make good window sills and lintels, or on a stair block, good stairs or corbels. Herringbone and basket are mostly paving patterns, but you can sometimes find herringbone patterns in old structures, as infill. IRL it's normally diagonal with relation to the framing, simply because it looks better that way. The one on the right also has some basket weave. Basket weave and Herringbone irl are not structurally strong, so they're ok infilling around structure like this, but you wouldn't have built an entire wall out of these patterns, back in the day. Here are I used only the left and right dark bond patterns to make 3 different larger wall patterns: Due to our small tile size and even brick layout per tile, we'd probably be limited mostly to left and right diagonals, and then horizontal stripes, at least within standard running bond pattern. Which is a lot of tiles to make anyway, even for just a couple bond colors. Other bond patterns would bring other possibilities.
  10. Smilodon

    I like that a lot. I feel like he looks a lot more agile now. I did notice the neck is clipping through the ears a bit, and maybe the head being default level or down a bit, rather than 10d up, might look better, in terms of default positioning. I think the rear legs might look a bit better if the middle piece were more centered under the haunch. Also the tail will need to be modified to address z-fighting. Other than that I think it's looking good - powerful and dangerous!
  11. [0.2.4] TFC2 Prerelease

    I think it's supposed to be logs, not sticks? Been awhile since i made one.... They do seem fairly rare. I seem to mostly find soggy ones but that's probably because I hang around rivers and lakes a lot. The others do exist. It's not really possible to survive right now, so don't sweat it. It'd probably be more feasible if animals didn't 1-shot you. It'd be really nice if there were more 'foraging' options available right now. It could be awhile before we can hunt animals, as I'd imagine Bioxx still needs to finish animal behavior, then finish the combat code, possibly hunting mechanics, then implement different meats (maybe....butchering?) etc, etc. There's still a lot of basic game building blocks out there yet to be done I think, before we really get the 'fun' stuff.
  12. Smilodon

    Ok, so now in the context of your most recent post. It's good, I still think the leg section above the paws could be thinner front to back. At the same time, a texture might change my mind. If he looks shaggy enough maybe the thick legs read as fur. But my instinct is thinner. I do like the back legs Stroam did, so I'd suggest going that route. The front legs I'm ok with. Like I mentioned preceding this post, columnar front legs are a good option I think. I would however try to keep the shoulder box so that only the top corner sticks out of the chest, and not any of the other 3 corners. I still think the paws look too fat. I'm having a little trouble reading the head-neck-jaw area from those pics, a model would help. Jaw might be a little long. I think cheek puffs could be great, and they could fill in some of that area behind the jaw so you could shorten the jaw. This is an area where we can take artistic license vs conventional portrayals. I don' know if transparent cheeks would be the best route, this guy is a lot bigger than an ocelot - might be too insubstantial. Might want to make it a solid block, with some slant to it, so that it doesn't read as too massive, maybe. There's a lot of options there. But make sure he doesn't have the derpy eyes.
  13. Smilodon

    OK, so I wrote up all of the following and was just about to post it right before you posted your most recent post. So read all this without the context of your latest post. I'll start a separate reply for that. My main problem with the more 'real' legs is that they very likely are not going to be animated to move properly. They'll just rotate where they join the body. So you end up with a leg that looks all primed and ready to move, but it's just a solid wooden piece, and to me that's disappointing. It also doesn't match well with the 'norm' in minecraft, of peg legs. But for monsters, I'm trying to be more open to more detail. Especially large ones. What Stroam did there, is only 1 more box than the legs the 'normal' big cats have, and without the paw it's the same number as most of our current ungulates. It's really just got the one angled piece in the middle, which is the same as elk and moose. So the rear legs especially are really pretty close to our current norm. The front legs have the extra shoulder box, but in this context that was kind of a 'special feature'. The front legs are bending the opposite of the way they do irl though, which is jarring. I'm much more comfortable with those back legs than the front, basically. But, in both the front and rear what I like is that the haunch boxes are square with the body, and the paw and lower leg are square with the ground. The mid-legs bridge the gap from the slanted body to the flat ground. I feel like it's not as jarring as when the body is orthogonal to the ground, and there's a bunch of leg sections all at different angles, orthogonal to neither the ground nor the body. The unfortunate thing is the front legs, the haunch by being square to the body is setting up the wrong bending mechanic. I opened the model to play around with the front legs a bit, and I think the only way to make them work is either have them be a straight column, or have the haunch bend backwards, in which case the rest should probably be a column. It breaks the orthogonal haunch relationship to the body, but as long as the rest is orthogonal, I think it could work. All that said, I like what you did originally Krono (just maybe leg proportions a bit different). I like that it matches better with the 'normal animals' we've already got. And prehistoric animals are kind of a bridge between 'normal' animals, and monsters. At the same time, I'm trying to be open for monsters to be more complex. And so as a bridge creature, again, I'm also willing to entertain more complex legs. If you would like to do the more complex legs, I'd say go for it. Just try to limit them to one non-orthogonal piece. And I should say, just to be clear for future monsters, I'll probably never be ok with things like using boxes just to try to make a slant between two other boxes. But more boxes for more discreet structure or detail, I think is worth looking at. I do kind of like the shoulder feature, so if I were suggesting, I'd probably say go for the shoulders. In terms of paws, regular big cat paws appear more square than long, I think, and more flat than tall. And ya, my understanding is that vanilla wolves, when their eyes turn red, that's a different texture. And sheep shearing also just swaps textures. The sheared version still has the wool box, it's just got no texture so it's invisible. Same principle. You could even have two jaws, one closed for 'normal mode' and one open for angry. Just one or the other will be invisible at any given time. My concern with claws is whether they'd look better as a simple vertical plane, or a fractional box. I'm guessing fractional box, so that they're visible from the front.
  14. Ore prosessing

    Might also be an opportunity to introduce some simple sand casting. Pig iron was normally done in sand beds. But that was industrial scale, of course.
  15. Smilodon

    That's a good take Stroam. You front legs are backwards and there's some proportions I'd suggest changing, but other than that I like what you did there - would you mind posting the model so we could see the legs in action? Your call if you want to adopt some of that or not Krono. I can go either way.