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    • Crysyn

      Only help if you can be helpful

      Hey All, A topic has come up of late in the IRC channel in regards to the general feel of the forums and the community that supports them. Things have progressed further than I would have liked with out this being addressed more publicly because I would much rather have snubbed this out sooner rather than later.. but I have been busy. Here is the general rule I would like people to follow: Wheaton's Law "Don't be a dick." Those of you from the IRC channel know that this is the only rule I ask people in there to follow and we generally have a good and lively time chatting about all manner of things. This is basic rule that just about everyone understands and I am going to expand it to the forums from here moving forward. If you can not help people in a helpful and polite manner then I simply ask you to stop. Now I generally take a back seat to moderating the forums as I like to participate in the suggestions forum fairly heavily at times and would rather do so as a forums user than a moderator. But I am also fairly well known for being the person who constantly puts their foot down and so I am stepping up and doing so on here. If you find yourself unable to respond to a message politely then I ask that you do not respond. This mostly focuses on the increasing level of hostility found within the Suggestion forum as well as the Server forum. I do not care if this is the 30th some odd time you have seen someone make the same suggestion. Or even if the new post on an older topic is one entry above the old one. I expect the members of this forum to respond politely to the user, new or old, and point to the older topic if it applies and even go the extra step to suggest they either add in new information or to summarize the outcome of the previous discussion based upon the new post's entry into it. That is what we are here for, that is why I close most topics instead of deleting them, so that they can be found and referenced down the road. The next topic is the slew of derailment attempts I have seen as of late. If you want to have fun and joke around that is what the off topic forum is for and pretty much anything goes there. I do not expect to read a suggestion thread and have to go through 3 pages of image memes people have shot back and forth. Quite simply this is a waste of my time to read and then have to clean up. Now for the summary. I am going to start taking a more active role, especially in policing the suggestion forum, and handing out warn levels to people whom I see doing this. These will be indiscriminate and applied not to just the first person who derails or is impolite on a topic or response, but to everyone whom follows the lead of that person. As I do not like doing things with out giving you all warning this post shall serve as that warning. If you have a desire to bring this topic up with me then I invite you to do so on the IRC channel. Lets raise the level of quality and grow the community. Let us not descend into the quality often found on the minecraft or league of legend forums. There is simply no need for that here. Be passionate about things, just do not be abusive.
    • Kittychanley

      Offline Servers

      Recently I've seen a few server listings showing up on the first page of the Servers forum that have been closed for an extended period of time, but have recently gotten a reply from a new member who didn't realize the server is offline. To help prevent this from happening in the future, it would be greatly appreciated if you could use the report function on the original post of any servers that have been confirmed as offline, so that the topic may be locked. If you are the admin of a server and plan on taking the server offline, please use the report function on the original post of your topic to let the TFC Staff know that the topic should be locked. If you are the admin of a server that has a locked topic, and would wish to bring the server back online, please use the report function on the original post of the topic to let the TFC Staff know that the topic should be unlocked. As always, please remember to follow rule #3 of the servers forum and update your topic title to contain the version of TFC that the server is currently running. You can do so by editing the OP, and then clicking on "Use Full Editor."

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  1. Fearsome Critters

    Why I didn't notice this thread before... Anyway. Imagine for a second a swarm of little soft blocks that process food material at almost 100% efficiency. Now imagine that these softy, bouncy blocks duplicates themselves after doubling their starting weight in a similar fashion of that of an amoeba. They don't breath, they can swim and they like to eat crops (too nutritious). What would happen if one of these little cuties spawn in the lake where your crops are (evil grin)? Sparkling a bit of the creativity that lady evolution has and make some of them being poisonous or have a viscous and acidic skin that love to mimic a grass block or some leafs in a tree waiting for an unsuspecting prey. But as any creature, they might have some utility. Some might be too dangerous to keep them, but some other might be the ideal bio trash dispenser; their hard core might be useful as a compact food source and their jelly like flesh basis for some potions. Have some food that are about to expire? What about some organic material left from the harvest? 'Tag' some these creatures and enjoy the best trash can that an explorer might want. Interested? I present you... the slime. The best friend of any designer... is just a square blob. The newbie best buddy, easy to kill, hard to be killed by it (and maybe the most embarrassing death that you can have, ideal for funny stories). The emergency ration of any explorer1. The most wonderful biodegradable trash collector2. It may come in your favorite color3. 1,2,3(Conditions apply, poisonous and flesh eating might not be the most suitable of slimes. We are not responsible for any misuse and mishandle that may end in an infestation and a year of crops lost. 'Do not feed after midnight') Well, after that introduction I may say that slimes are probably one of the less expanded monster in general. I always wondered how this little creatures that even a child can kill survives. I think they behave in a similar fashion of a sea turtle, where the sheer amount of offspring overwhelm the predators ensuring the surviving of at least some. I think the slimes may behave in a similar way, great food processors with a fast reproduction cycle and, in a sense, not strong enough to decimate any monster. Even their nutritious core might be a survivable strategy: filling for several days andhard to eat in quick successions ensuring that the population last enough for them to reproduce. Any way, I think that slimes would be a great monster for the first and second island with some unique mechanics worth exploring.
  2. Encumberance Inventory system

    @Darmo Ok, I see, if that is the case the weight system make a bit more sense. I totally forgot about that mine cart's post XD. The speed debuff in armors was a substitution of the encumbrance idea, but if the goal is to make the encumbrance and weight system a thing there is little point in it (the debuff). But, because I still think that having a slot based inventory and an encumbrance system a bit of a punishment. In that regards I suggest that the containers that the player can make would be easy and fast to make with any hassle. You want to put a bed in a backpack? You can, because magic!!! (or something like that). Since there is little point in limiting the number of slots because there is weight as a limiting factor, I think that allowing the player to have easy access to inventory expansion is a great way to managing storage and the full with nothing problem. Obviously I'm talking about the general containers without any weight reduction. If there is going to exist magic, I would like to see weight reducing backpacks on high tiers that are a bit hard to make. As far as I can tell, right now the 3 factors are: Slots - alleviated with easy to access and use backpacks to avoid the "full with weightless items"problem. Stacks (may be determined by size of the object, e.g. 64 seeds or 8 spears - alleviated with vehiclesand backpacks. Weight - alleviated with vehicles, magical backpacks (maybe) and "strength/class?" What can be a 4th factor? @Stroam Although I like your idea of the item mechanic that you proposed, I think that the slot reduction is not very well suited for a heavy item game as MC. Just with Pam's mod there are already tons of items. just with stones, sticks, hay/grass, an axe, a knife and two - tree stacks of food and half of the hotbar is already full. So, no, limiting the inventory is extremely harsh and unnecessary. But the idea of teaching the weight mechanic is very good, but I don't know how without using text.
  3. Encumberance Inventory system

    The main problem I have with encumbrance is that it is too punitive and kind of unnecessary for Minecraft. Unnecessary in the sense that there are already two major things placed that work similar to the encumbrance mechanic: limit number of slots, and stack size. Because how the games works the limited number of slots already put the a limit in the types of items that you can carry. This is already a limiting factor that has its own problems. You can fill your inventory with different types of seeds or almost weightless items, making your carrying capacityfull with nothing. The second thing, stack size, is highly tied to the first problem. Different items have different maximum stack capacity. Tie it with the first mechanic and now you have a carry mechanic in place. Both, encumbrance and slots mechanics, workagainst each other. In one hand you are limited in the number of items you can carry, in the other handthe weight that also would limit you. I like the idea of one of them being the main mechanic, but not both. In both cases you can have vehicles that help you with the problem, being weight or being slots. In the case of slots the limit and balance is done in the size of the inventory and stack size: you can also implement bag packs as mechanic. In the case of encumbrance you can use stats like strengthto determine the carrying capacity. As things are right now, Minecraft has already implemented one of the mechanics, I think that it would be better, easier and more natural to expand the slot mechanic rather than incorporate the encumbrance mechanic. Furthermore, the way TFC1 used the barrels and the "back" slot was perfect. I think that that would also be applied to big items like the "tier 6" category that you proposed Saying that, what I like is the idea of armor and weapons having effects on your speed (but not carried items). What do you think of, instead of encumbrance in items, applying speed debuffs to armors based on weight/ metal properties? For example, a metal chest part would reduce the speed 20% without STR modfiers and 10% with max STR (just saying). It can also be expanded by making alloys and magic runes/inscriptions/enchanting:lighter alloys can have the same protection but 30% lighter (for example), or the same weight but higher protection. It can be even expanded to the manufacture process, something like a "layer" based armor (1, 2 or 3 layers) 1 layer metal breastplate (2 ingots to make)(if iron used speed penalty 10%) 2 layers metal breastplate (4 ingots to make)(if iron used speed penalty 20%) 3 layers metal breastplate (6 ingots to make)(if iron used speed penalty 30%)
  4. Release Date? Soon?

    I just want to play with the physic of the blocks... It looked soo cool back then <3
  5. Fish, invterabrates, and other search and shore animals

    May I ask how is not believable gate the progress of technologies because of better materials? Is not that you cannot fish without metal tools. Pick a pair of stone, make a lance and try your luck... or you can do it it sharp pieces of wood. In game that would be represented as maybe one wood tool from the beginning or maybe a stone spear. But there is a limitation of where you can fish with a spear... you cannot fish with a spear in some places, or it would require a lot of luck to do it (and let not touch the durability of the spear andhitting a rock with it). But witha piece of string and a tiny piece of metal in the shape of a hook and you can fish deeper and faster, you can change spots much more easily that you can do with a spear. The same applies to the tools to make different traps. Some stone tools are extremely sharp and can be used to carve wood easily, but the durability is another factor. Metals tools came to revolutionized every piece of technology made from stone. Easier to handle, more durable and with the capability of making more complex things. It is not "gated" per-se, you can easily ignore the progression of the metal tiers and catch fishes with rudimentary equipment (talking about TFC2). On the other hand, creating better tools and improving the technology with the acquiring of better materials is believable, I even dare to say that it would be realistic.
  6. Magic: Research or Innate knowledge

    True, but that is if you look from the perspective of a single feature. For example, saying that having the ore tied with a stone type and not every "biome" have that stone type is to cater to explorer, since it is literally having you (the player) to explore the world (and you get rewarded).TFC1 as a whole cater to both types of players... one a bit more than the other, though. TFC2 has islands to explore and to conquer, that in itself is catering to both players: the explorers and the achievers. By the way, depending on how you focus the research it can cater to explorer or to achievers; too complex and hardbut not random enough and it would be an achievement to finish all the topics/talents but too mainstream to do it (and vice versa, a random but easy system would reward the feeling of exploration/research, but would not be an achievement since it'd be easy) Yup, I update my comment to reflect my lack of clearness. I know very well that, I am a developer. The context here is that making a piece of code consume time and, if the feature is not used or don't add something particularly deep to the game, is better not to do it. But, at the same time, that code with a little tweaks (andthe power of imagination) you can expand it to other features. In this regard, knaping and pottery that may share the same code is a perfect example of this... and also, it can be expanded a bit more to include other features that make sense. So... Right, but the sandwich making interface and mechanic can be re-styled and rewrittento make potions: put a bitof 'x' herb here, a bit of herb 'y' there, put a catalyst, aliquid base and instead of bread use a glass bottle, andyou have a potion. Instead of flavor you have three properties (healing, poison, neutral) and each property instead of having nutrition values it may have descriptorspotency, duration, and side effect (for neutral potions that would be, for example, a potion of swimming). And the weight system can alter the properties and descriptors of the potion based on the weight of the herbs andcatalystused. I fixed a bit more. The context is that develop a feature cost time, and if the feature is not good enough to worth the effort it is better to not do it. In this regard, the focus on an innate system, while boring in a principle, can free time to other features... like expanding the island progression or having classes or skills or better enemies (AI wise or otherwise). But, if the research system can be expanded to other things that are not just magic, it may be worth the time to develop it.
  7. Magic: Research or Innate knowledge

    I agree with you in your statements, ideas and positions in general. Just a few things to consider... thinking just about weapons: how do you balance melee vs range? sword vs bow? If we think in real life, bow is by far a superior weapon in most situations. It has range, it has speed and its deadly. The downside? It has ammunition, and in TFC that means you have to make them. It still the same dilemma, how you balance a weapon that require ammunition vs one that does not (ignoring durability, obviously)? The answer applies to magic too, and there is more than one answers. As you put it... it can be done by making magic do weird things, more focus on quality life and things like that, or to make the mobs weak and strong against type of attacks. But here it is the deal, I think that what we should looking is more to fulfill a fantasy rather than to balance the game (though I don't think that balance is not necessary). I've seen many players that just want to play a class that the enjoy, no mater how weak or strong it is... as long as the class fulfill the fantasy, though. Who does not want to be a knight? Or a Wizard? Or a wizard knight? Or an Arcane Archer? Or a thief? Or a bomber/grenadier? Or anaked two-handed axe-wielding barbarian gnome? I think that as long as the disparity on damage of the options are not that big, players will find their niche. For the research part. As long as is doable in single player (or toggleable) I think that research can be an interesting part of the mod, not only for magic, but for some other things. The thing with coding is that, once you have a piece of working code, changing a bit here and there to give it different flavors is not that hard... at least not as making it works. For example, let say that the devs have a working code of the knapping and pottery fromTFC1, and that both are made using the same base code. What stop the devs to use the same interface to expand it to handle magical runes made from stone and talismans made from carving wood? Yes, it would take time to create the texture and the new formulas, but is not like stating from zero. The same can be applied to research... if the devs sinks their time into the research interface, they may well expand it (the interface) to other things, like metallurgy (researching recipes), gem cutting, cooking, alchemy and herbalism. This expansion of the interface may make TFC2even more deep and fun, but it can also carry the cost of taking out time for developing other features (or refining the island system) and dilute the main content. In that regard, the innate system might have an advantage. At least is up to the devs what approach might want. It may be that they release as innate and change it over the course of the alpha.
  8. Magic: Research or Innate knowledge

    I do agree with you on this. People like discovery and achievement. The thing is that magic research is not the only way to achieve this; the island progression is another way. And this is where my question about research or innate become relevant. How much the island progression is going to impact TFC2 gameplay and discoveries? If its is going to be a huge part of it, almost as if it is the core of the mod, how much research can you put into magic (and other things for that mater) that does not break the main goal? Is innate a better approach to not padding the game too much? Another thing, ifit is always "easy-mode" (or innate, too) the development time and resources can be focus on a much better experience of island progression. Almost as if saying; "Look, there is magic in this mod andyou can use it from the get-go, but the progression is going to be linked to what islands you have conquered... like every thing else". The same goes with multiplayer, if the difficulty of the island progression can be adjusted to the number of players (automatically or manual) it will also empower the multiplayer side. Nevertheless, there can always be a research method more akin to a mini game in which you have to discover (world seed dependent, maybe) the right amount of magic elements for the greatest effect. In this regard, it does not break the innate knowledge; you know how to do it, but not in an efficient way (similar with food and flavors in TFC1, the need of looking for the best food for you while knowing how to make food from the start).
  9. Magic: Research or Innate knowledge

    Mmm, I was pretty sure that that was the objective, but searching the forums I could not find a clue. Anyway, "relative ease" depend on the player and skill level. I rarely reach colored steel because it is a lot of work, but if you have one or two friends, everything become incredible easy; exploration is faster, mining is faster, chopping wood is faster, getting food is faster. Dangerous mobs are not a problem in TFC1 for anyone with a bit of Minecraft experience, so you don't need to travel in packs or do the same thing together. In that regard, TFC1 is a bit more Multiplayer, not for how easy is to do things, but how fast you can do it. And grinding is a bit subjective, too.
  10. Magic: Research or Innate knowledge

    No, no, an innate knowledge is a knowledge that you already know from birth (in Minecraft scenario, from spawn). For example, almost everything, if not everything, from TFC1 can be done if you have the tools and the material. You don't need to "waste" time researching it and/or finding the clues to begin the research. In TFC1 you know how to smelt, make alloys, tools, armors, etc the moment you spawn. The only thing that stop you to make colored steel armor from the get-go are tools and materials. In this perspective, your last question and mine is intertwined; you cannot have a distinct path if the know-how is innate. My point of view in this is that, though TFC2 is being design as a multiplayer add-on, a good portion of the playerbase is single player. No matter the system chosen (research or innate), it should have in mind that "multiplayer" means from 2 players onward, and some people enjoy the difficulty of being a solo player in TFC1 (I'm one of them). Therefore, at least the option of being an everyman should be a must, it does not matter if it is via more skill points per level, faster research time, or toggling off the research option. If TFC2 is going to be more oriented toward a fantasy setting, magic should be essential, even if it is just a tiny bit. A farmer might want a rune of water to expand the fields, a rune of healthy earth to speed farm production, a rune of magic earth to infuse some plants with magic for medicinal and/or alchemypurposes. A warrior might want a potion (and/or wand and/or gem) of invisibility, fast regeneration, fireproof, alchemical silver (or a magical sword +1) for those pesky damage resistant critters, etc. We can have magic gems to enhance mana recovery for wizards, empower their spells, make them cheaper, etc. For smithscan be rune of melting fire to replace wood, a rune of warm metal to keep the metal "warm" enough to smith, infuse magic to make magical alloys and mystical metals. And that is just a small sample of things that can be done. I don't think it should be an add-on to smithing, just an integral part of the gameplay, even if its simple and by any means complex. I mean, you can start using magic as a spell caster (simple mana bolts) to conquer the first island if you wish, later after conquering the second island, you can start making basic quality of life magic runes and gems, later more complex or magical intensive runes or rituals, and so on; the further you advance in the islands the better things you can make. In this last regard, I think that gating the progress of magic by resources found in more difficult island is a more natural and cohesive way and closer toTFC2 philosophy of progression than research or skill points (and for that mater, has the highestaffinity with innate magic knowledge).
  11. As far as I read in the Magic (link bellow)thread the consensus seems to be the idea of having to research for spells and magic techniques, but I haven't read any pro and con of each system (research and innate knowledge). If magic is still on the table, what is the consensus from the developers about how we get it? Is it too soon to ask this? From my point of view, I see that the Innate knowledge is better than the research one, mainly because I feel that it is usually used to extend gameplay where is not needed. It is like wanting to research metallurgy before you start working with metals in TFC1. It makes that the progression stagnate and the actual usefulness of magic is diminished. For an example in the offensive side of magic, Thaumcraft, if my memory serves me right, you can start using "magic" as soon as you reach iron, but you can start to shoot fire after you reach and "beat" the Nether... where everything is immune to fire... where Ice magic would be an asset in dealing with the Nether (and you get Ice magic after you get fire, so). It feels like magic in Thaumcraft is a reward from defeating X objective instead of a tool to defeat X. Don't get me wrong, I like Thaumcraft, it is an amazing mod, but not a useful mod. Not after a lot of time and research (golems, for example). In this regard, and with the island progression theme in TFC2, I would rather have magic from Island 1 that would help me in defeating Island 2 than as a reward that would hadbeen useful to defeat Island 1 but kind of pointless in Island 2. Therefore, I think that Innate magic knowledge would be better for TFC2, or at most, a fast research system to encourage** the research of magic before dealing with the next Island/problem. What do you think? ** A system that encourage the use of it: As an example of a system that does not encourage the use of it would be World of Warcraft professions. At the moment, WoW has a professions system where you are encourage to train after you reach max level, ratherthan while you are leveling up. This is due the fact that in WoW, leveling is too fast for the profession to be useful at every level. In the similar fashion, thaumcraft magic system seems more like WoW profession, in which the progress is too fast for the research to be on par with it. As an example of encouragement, if thaumcraft had ice/water bases magic before reaching the Nether, it would encourage the research of Ice magic because, well, it would be useful.
  12. Reign of Terra [Hardcore Mode][TFC][Don'tStarve]

    This mod pack sounds good but, where is the download link or how do I get it?
  13. Boats and Ships

    Oh, sorry about that. That explain why I didn't find any suggestion/questions/thoughts about this in this thread.
  14. Questions Regarding the New Block Physics Demo

    Any new news about this topic? I loved the video and I want to know if there has been an update or something.
  15. Boats and Ships

    I read most of the post and aside from distance between Islands, what deterrent are there to stop players just to swim to the other Islands? I mean, smart movement (I think that is what the add onis called) makes swimming far too easy. I know what you would say, don't use the add on, but the add on add so very good and useful features that enhance the general Minecraft experience (IMHO), and some people just have enough patience to just swim 4k blocks. So, will there be mobs in the sea that make it too dangerous? A stamina bar for swimming?