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Outskill to pass the Portal system

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Basically-a lot of the appeal of TFC1 was the nonlinearity of it. If you sucked at mining-and a lot of us did, back when Dunk Decreed that Thou Shalt Not Know The Intricacies Of The Mining System-you could roam the world and gather stone-age resources nigh-indefinitely. There was a definite gating in the form of metal, but a lot of the game was still accessible without it.

You could, in short, feel like you were actually Exploring A World, rather than Playing A Game.

The Portal system is an...interesting take on the progression inherent to TFC1, but it also loses a lot. Sure, a bad spawn means tedium finding the one (or two, or five) resources you lack-but the joy of TFC is in "Holy shit, Cows!" or "Fuck yes, my first pick!" or "YES! METAL! AT LAST!" or the sheer pride of stepping out into the night in your first set of Wrought Iron armor, only possible with the Flux you traveled so very far to find, and hours spent bent over a Forge as you puzzled out the right order of strikes to turn recalcitrant metal into the tool you need.

The Portal system reminds me of a wide variety of shitty survival games, and it also inherently means leaving your comfy base behind, thus disincentivizing creative endeavors (like the much-praised Chisel.) TFC2 players do create megastructures, if nowhere near as often as vanilla players. Why make something impressive, when you know you're going to leave it behind?

With every island having resources easily found, a lot of the exploration is gone. I'm encouraged by the screenshots from Bioxx's Twitter, but I'm terrified of the idea of islands maybe a hundred chunks across with only a single variety of ore.

Consequently, I'd like traditional worldgen to be an option-either from the beginning, or by fighting your way past whatever dangers lie beyond the safe shallows. Build a better boat, make better armor, or otherwise skill your way past, and gain access to a world that doesn't coddle you.


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19 hours ago, Pwnlord said:

I'm encouraged by the screenshots from Bioxx's Twitter, but I'm terrified of the idea of islands maybe a hundred chunks across with only a single variety of ore.

Each island region is 4096 blocks north and south.  There is a certain border region that can't have land, but generally speaking your islands are I think pretty consistently well over 3k blocks in diameter, iirc.  This is known.

As for ores, based on what Bioxx has told us in the past, for one thing, the early islands WILL have the things you need to tech up.  It's not been made clear yet if the starting island is stone-age only with copper on the next island, or if you can get to copper on the spawn island.  But if you are intended to reach copper on the spawn island, from what Bioxx has said we can assume there *will* be copper.  So maybe copper spawns in the X=0 islands regardless of stone type?  Or maybe only copper-bearing stones will be found in the X=0 zone?  We don't really know for sure - at least I haven't been able to deduce it from what we've been given so far.  I don't think it's currently the latter, but he it could probably be made so relatively easily.  For a time I wondered if ores would spawn regardless of stone type, based only on X values.  But all ores I've seen so far in TFC2 have been in their 'logical' stone types.  But, I've not seen tons of ores yet in TFC2.  They seem much rarer exposed above ground, and we don't have surface nuggets yet.  So i think almost all the ore I've seen has been naturally exposed in caves.

So that might address a couple of your concerns.  I share some of your others, and have expressed similar concerns before.  I guess we'll see where things go.


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