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      Only help if you can be helpful

      Hey All, A topic has come up of late in the IRC channel in regards to the general feel of the forums and the community that supports them. Things have progressed further than I would have liked with out this being addressed more publicly because I would much rather have snubbed this out sooner rather than later.. but I have been busy. Here is the general rule I would like people to follow: Wheaton's Law "Don't be a dick." Those of you from the IRC channel know that this is the only rule I ask people in there to follow and we generally have a good and lively time chatting about all manner of things. This is basic rule that just about everyone understands and I am going to expand it to the forums from here moving forward. If you can not help people in a helpful and polite manner then I simply ask you to stop. Now I generally take a back seat to moderating the forums as I like to participate in the suggestions forum fairly heavily at times and would rather do so as a forums user than a moderator. But I am also fairly well known for being the person who constantly puts their foot down and so I am stepping up and doing so on here. If you find yourself unable to respond to a message politely then I ask that you do not respond. This mostly focuses on the increasing level of hostility found within the Suggestion forum as well as the Server forum. I do not care if this is the 30th some odd time you have seen someone make the same suggestion. Or even if the new post on an older topic is one entry above the old one. I expect the members of this forum to respond politely to the user, new or old, and point to the older topic if it applies and even go the extra step to suggest they either add in new information or to summarize the outcome of the previous discussion based upon the new post's entry into it. That is what we are here for, that is why I close most topics instead of deleting them, so that they can be found and referenced down the road. The next topic is the slew of derailment attempts I have seen as of late. If you want to have fun and joke around that is what the off topic forum is for and pretty much anything goes there. I do not expect to read a suggestion thread and have to go through 3 pages of image memes people have shot back and forth. Quite simply this is a waste of my time to read and then have to clean up. Now for the summary. I am going to start taking a more active role, especially in policing the suggestion forum, and handing out warn levels to people whom I see doing this. These will be indiscriminate and applied not to just the first person who derails or is impolite on a topic or response, but to everyone whom follows the lead of that person. As I do not like doing things with out giving you all warning this post shall serve as that warning. If you have a desire to bring this topic up with me then I invite you to do so on the IRC channel. Lets raise the level of quality and grow the community. Let us not descend into the quality often found on the minecraft or league of legend forums. There is simply no need for that here. Be passionate about things, just do not be abusive.
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      Offline Servers

      Recently I've seen a few server listings showing up on the first page of the Servers forum that have been closed for an extended period of time, but have recently gotten a reply from a new member who didn't realize the server is offline. To help prevent this from happening in the future, it would be greatly appreciated if you could use the report function on the original post of any servers that have been confirmed as offline, so that the topic may be locked. If you are the admin of a server and plan on taking the server offline, please use the report function on the original post of your topic to let the TFC Staff know that the topic should be locked. If you are the admin of a server that has a locked topic, and would wish to bring the server back online, please use the report function on the original post of the topic to let the TFC Staff know that the topic should be unlocked. As always, please remember to follow rule #3 of the servers forum and update your topic title to contain the version of TFC that the server is currently running. You can do so by editing the OP, and then clicking on "Use Full Editor."
Arktic

TFC1 1.12+ port

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16 minutes ago, Isgolo said:

One question: what programming language do you need to do something like this? because im new to this community but i'd love to help you on this project.

All Hes Doing Is Porting It, Hes Not Modifying It And Is Just Rereleasing It

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On 28/9/2017 at 5:46 PM, UnlimatedStone9 said:

All Hes Doing Is Porting It, Hes Not Modifying It And Is Just Rereleasing It

that doesn't anwer my question, if I want to help him port this mod, what programming language you need to know?

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You need to be a very experienced Java programer.

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On ‎30‎/‎09‎/‎2017 at 7:07 PM, Isgolo said:

that doesn't anwer my question, if I want to help him port this mod, what programming language you need to know?

I'm Saying There Is Nothing To Help With, Because All He Is Doing Is Porting It And That's The WHOLE Job, ONE Thing

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3 hours ago, UnlimatedStone9 said:

I'm Saying There Is Nothing To Help With, Because All He Is Doing Is Porting It And That's The WHOLE Job, ONE Thing

Actually, porting a mod is quite a bit of work

Even more so if you want to port over 5 major versions.

1.7 and 1.8 change quite a bit of stuff regarding the block rendering.

1.9 is quite the jump with the addition of the dualwielding system and the overhaul of combat.

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He Has Already Made The 1.9 Port As You Know And Difficulty Can Be Fairly Irrelevant As It Would Be More Of A One Person Job

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Any chance we could get a progress update? Like, how the port is going and what's left to do? I don't mean to be pushy, but I'm sure myself and many others are eager to get our hands on this. 

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I suggest patience. From what I've read about the changes, some features of TFC will be extremely hard (or even impossible) to port. Give it some time.

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I Know Its Just When He Said A Couple Of Days For A Port To Be Released It Had Been Months Since

 

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Just hope it is not like this: 

The way the guy talked it was like the addon would be ready in 3 days.

I think sometimes people do not have a clear view of what the whole process takes.

I am not a coder myself, although I have some experience with scripting. As much as I understand to port TFC from 1.7.10 to 1.12 is a massive project, you would need to create a new code and the only thing you would use are the ideas and mechanics from the old code.      

I actually really hope to be proven wrong, but I will believe when I can download a working version. I actually would be very happy with a 1.9 version.

It has been only a couple of weeks, so who knows. Maybe he will log in and post the link. One can only hope.

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Yeah ... And millenaire is really complex. One of the most complex mod i know with TFC.

Have do many bug hunting for Cedric long time ago.

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If you'd like something to happen faster, by all means, step up to the plate and code it yourself. As Tony pointed out it is a massive undertaking. Each small code segment would need to be ported separately or you'd end up performing shotgun surgery. Also unless you are very familiar with making mods for minecraft and TFC code, it'd almost be easier starting from scratch. At that point, you'd have to ask yourself do you want to spend all that time and effort recreating something that already exists or want something new and fresh to put your name on. My personal philosophy is I live for the new and don't wish I had last seasons flowers this year as well, for the beauty of a rose is that it is fleeting. There is no sight I could be perfectly content with staring at forever and no sound I could listen to for eternity.

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I think it has to do with youthful enthusiasm.

We see it all the time in the servers section. 

People create new topics talking about the server they will soon be hosting. 90% of the time they have no idea how much work is involved. 

To administer a successful server means to spend more time managing the server than actually playing the game.

It's just a guess, but I believe Bioxx spent a lot more time coding TFC than playing it.

 

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18 minutes ago, LightningShock said:

Last update was on 18 sept.
But I don't think that's a reason to consider it dead. yet.

And if it is dead, someone else can continue instead.
https://github.com/djarktic/TFCraft/network

 

I think you forgot the '/s' at the end of your comment. There is zero in that repo that even smells like a port.

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11 minutes ago, AnodeCathode said:

I think you forgot the '/s' at the end of your comment. There is zero in that repo that even smells like a port.

Wait what?

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3 minutes ago, LightningShock said:

Wait what?

3 commits made on the day that the repo was forked from Bioxx's. All 3 are just fiddling faffing about. Nothing in that repo, or in any of the repositories gives me the warm fuzzy feeling that this person has any concept of the amount of work required to port TFC to 1.8+. I suspect that he may not have been entirely telling the truth about his progress. I think he was describing his dream.

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5 minutes ago, AnodeCathode said:

3 commits made on the day that the repo was forked from Bioxx's. All 3 are just fiddling faffing about. Nothing in that repo, or in any of the repositories gives me the warm fuzzy feeling that this person has any concept of the amount of work required to port TFC to 1.8+. I suspect that he may not have been entirely telling the truth about his progress. I think he was describing his dream.

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I got that part. I can at least "smell" what a java code does(C++/C# guy) and now that I see it, yeah, I do agree with you. I was asking about the '/s' part.

Sorry for off-topic.

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Don't get us wrong, I would love to be proven wrong. If we had an updated version of TFC the community would renew like in a renascence. There is just so many possibilities, features, and mods that would be made available to the player.

Is just that, when I look at the github, the first thing that calls my attention is the fact that there are no new posts since September 18.

Piece and love.

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23 minutes ago, LightningShock said:

I got that part. I can at least "smell" what a java code does(C++/C# guy) and now that I see it, yeah, I do agree with you. I was asking about the '/s' part.

Sorry for off-topic.

Ah. Sorry. In some environments, it's a shorthand for end sarcasm, based on tags like /html. When I originally read your post I assumed you were joking when I looked at the repo. Forked Sept18, 3 unimportant commits and then nothing. I thought you were having a laugh.

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1 hour ago, TonyLiberatto said:

Don't get us wrong, I would love to be proven wrong. If we had an updated version of TFC the community would renew like in a renascence. There is just so many possibilities, features, and mods that would be made available to the player.

Is just that, when I look at the github, the first thing that calls my attention is the fact that there are no new posts since September 18.

Piece and love.

I agree. But tbh I think it's more feasible to start a new mod from scratch instead of porting this one. I think TerraFirmaCraft has way more compatibility issues that it should have. Like, why we need freshwater as a separate fluid from vanilla water? How biomes o' plenty generation managed to be friendly with other mods while TFC didn't? I am not trying to throw tomatoes at the devs as the mod is still great but I think TFC could have been implemented in a better fashion.

54 minutes ago, AnodeCathode said:

Ah. Sorry. In some environments, it's a shorthand for end sarcasm, based on tags like /html. When I originally read your post I assumed you were joking when I looked at the repo. Forked Sept18, 3 unimportant commits and then nothing. I thought you were having a laugh.

Actually yes I did check that code long ago but as I am no expert in both Java and Github so I've tough I was missing something but now that you brough it up as well I can safely say that I didn't. I was not trying to troll. Trolling on forums is not fun, trolling in-game and irl is.

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I think TerraFirmaCraft has way more compatibility issues that it should have. Like, why we need freshwater as a separate fluid from vanilla water?

 

Sorry, but its logic in reallity, you absolutely cant drink sea water ... Its salty. An you can only find fresh water in specific places like stream and pound or big lakes ... Its obvious for me and many people.

If you want to correct the fresh water blocs on shore of some sea and ocean okay ... But changing the gameplay mecanics, no way.

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5 hours ago, MonyClair said:

 

Sorry, but its logic in reallity, you absolutely cant drink sea water ... Its salty. An you can only find fresh water in specific places like stream and pound or big lakes ... Its obvious for me and many people.

If you want to correct the fresh water blocs on shore of some sea and ocean okay ... But changing the gameplay mecanics, no way.

Salt water is another story. It's a separate block and not directly linked to fresh water. As you have salt water in oceans and fresh water in lakes, we could have salt water in oceans and vanilla water in lakes(just retextured, still the same block in code)

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