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      Hey All, A topic has come up of late in the IRC channel in regards to the general feel of the forums and the community that supports them. Things have progressed further than I would have liked with out this being addressed more publicly because I would much rather have snubbed this out sooner rather than later.. but I have been busy. Here is the general rule I would like people to follow: Wheaton's Law "Don't be a dick." Those of you from the IRC channel know that this is the only rule I ask people in there to follow and we generally have a good and lively time chatting about all manner of things. This is basic rule that just about everyone understands and I am going to expand it to the forums from here moving forward. If you can not help people in a helpful and polite manner then I simply ask you to stop. Now I generally take a back seat to moderating the forums as I like to participate in the suggestions forum fairly heavily at times and would rather do so as a forums user than a moderator. But I am also fairly well known for being the person who constantly puts their foot down and so I am stepping up and doing so on here. If you find yourself unable to respond to a message politely then I ask that you do not respond. This mostly focuses on the increasing level of hostility found within the Suggestion forum as well as the Server forum. I do not care if this is the 30th some odd time you have seen someone make the same suggestion. Or even if the new post on an older topic is one entry above the old one. I expect the members of this forum to respond politely to the user, new or old, and point to the older topic if it applies and even go the extra step to suggest they either add in new information or to summarize the outcome of the previous discussion based upon the new post's entry into it. That is what we are here for, that is why I close most topics instead of deleting them, so that they can be found and referenced down the road. The next topic is the slew of derailment attempts I have seen as of late. If you want to have fun and joke around that is what the off topic forum is for and pretty much anything goes there. I do not expect to read a suggestion thread and have to go through 3 pages of image memes people have shot back and forth. Quite simply this is a waste of my time to read and then have to clean up. Now for the summary. I am going to start taking a more active role, especially in policing the suggestion forum, and handing out warn levels to people whom I see doing this. These will be indiscriminate and applied not to just the first person who derails or is impolite on a topic or response, but to everyone whom follows the lead of that person. As I do not like doing things with out giving you all warning this post shall serve as that warning. If you have a desire to bring this topic up with me then I invite you to do so on the IRC channel. Lets raise the level of quality and grow the community. Let us not descend into the quality often found on the minecraft or league of legend forums. There is simply no need for that here. Be passionate about things, just do not be abusive.
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      Recently I've seen a few server listings showing up on the first page of the Servers forum that have been closed for an extended period of time, but have recently gotten a reply from a new member who didn't realize the server is offline. To help prevent this from happening in the future, it would be greatly appreciated if you could use the report function on the original post of any servers that have been confirmed as offline, so that the topic may be locked. If you are the admin of a server and plan on taking the server offline, please use the report function on the original post of your topic to let the TFC Staff know that the topic should be locked. If you are the admin of a server that has a locked topic, and would wish to bring the server back online, please use the report function on the original post of the topic to let the TFC Staff know that the topic should be unlocked. As always, please remember to follow rule #3 of the servers forum and update your topic title to contain the version of TFC that the server is currently running. You can do so by editing the OP, and then clicking on "Use Full Editor."
Arktic

TFC1 1.12+ port

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To anyone that wants a TFC type mod on 1.12: I'm writing one from scratch. If anyone wants to help, PLEASE message me. I'll have a beta up by next weekend at the earliest, end of February at the absolute latest. There won't be a complete worldgen overhaul like in TFC for now, but it will have many other features.

https://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/sadnutmaterials

Hope someone sees fit to check it out, I don't really have any support for this yet.

Cheers,

Alas

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39 minutes ago, Alas said:

To anyone that wants a TFC type mod on 1.12: I'm writing one from scratch. If anyone wants to help, PLEASE message me. I'll have a beta up by next weekend at the earliest, end of February at the absolute latest. There won't be a complete worldgen overhaul like in TFC for now, but it will have many other features.

https://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/sadnutmaterials

Hope someone sees fit to check it out, I don't really have any support for this yet.

Cheers,

Alas

All rights reserved and no public repo? Is that the plan going forward?

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So I noticed you included the Forge licence file. Is your intention to licence under LGPL 2.1? Just curious. You should probably edit the file to indicate that it is in-fact the license for the project.

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I literally just uploaded it. I still need to make sure it's only what I've got. By the TFC license I have to use GPL3.

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This is why I posted here. Thanks for reminding me.

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So I'm guessing that by choosing to stay with the TFC license that you are planning to recycle TFC code where it makes sense? I too have looked many times at porting or rewriting TFC for newer MC/Forge versions. The choice as to reuse TFC code is understandable although the TFC codebase is sprawling and not always well structured. That's why I end up deciding to rewrite from scratch and just adopt the mechanics with no code re-use. But then you have the issue of having to rewrite all the mechanics. It's not an easy decision and I've changed my mind multiple times.

 

In any case, will be keeping on eye on your project. The concept is one that so many folks love the idea of. Just a ton of work. Guess it depends on how much of the overall TFC mechanics you're looking to bring over. You said not the worldgen stuff which makes me curious as that to me is a big part of what makes TFC the awesome mod it is.

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I'm using some textures and will be using the TFC2 worldgen code. So far I'm writing from scratch, but I'm staying on the safe side with GPL3. The mechanics will probably be partially recycled. For the first release, I'll be including it in the Sadnut modpack (don't question it...), with CraftTweaker and Artisan Worktables providing most of the mechanics.

I'm eventually going to bring over everything from TFC, but I'm taking small steps. :)

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Just want to say that I think a 1.12 port for TFC would be HUGE. It would enable modpacks to really open up their possibilities, and I think it's going to be really popular. Don't give up!

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Lot's of people start projects, most don't finish.  I'll believe it when I see it.  

I'm putting my money on this one.  It's  a standalone TFC inspired game not requiring minecraft.  https://www.vintagestory.at/

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Hi all, long time no see. I'd just like to post this one image.

Teaser

As you can see, it's a long way to go, but I'm pretty proud of it already.

There might be more in the future, who knows.

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8 hours ago, Dries007 said:

*snip*

Dries, you sir, are a godsend. ^w^

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On 04.04.2018 at 9:57 PM, Dries007 said:

Hi all, long time no see. I'd just like to post this one image.

Teaser

As you can see, it's a long way to go, but I'm pretty proud of it already.

There might be more in the future, who knows.

Cool, do you need any help with that? Maybe if you have a team you are going to make this a reality even faster.

Oh, and something I must request. Please don't add fresh water, use vanilla water instead, and you can re-texture it to look like fresh water. This will ensure compatibility.

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For now no. I won't release any builds or code. Not until I hear back from Bioxx or Kitty (or an unreasonable amount of time goes by, maybe a month or so).

Thanks to the new stuff in forge, the mod will be a lot more compatible already, that includes the water. I don't know how exactly I'm going to handle that yet. (For now the water is stained glass, which makes debugging worldgen also easier.)

By now I've also gotten the basic world decoration going. No trees yet though.

 

EDIT: Although if anyone reads this who attempted to port TFC before, I do welcome any information you want to send my way.

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@Dries007 I also have started updating TFC to 1.12.2, or more a rewrite, maybe work together?

My plan was to add all the content++, but let other mod handle the world gen ++, there is some mods out there already that can be used....

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10 hours ago, raymondbh said:

I'm focusing on worldgen first.T Thanks to my seed gen program I have enough experience with it to get everything going.

Now I'm finishing up the various decorators. I'll post another picture soon.

I'm planning on opening up for contribution once I hear back from Bioxx/Kitty.

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4 hours ago, Dries007 said:

I'm focusing on worldgen first.T Thanks to my seed gen program I have enough experience with it to get everything going.

Now I'm finishing up the various decorators. I'll post another picture soon.

I'm planning on opening up for contribution once I hear back from Bioxx/Kitty.

Fear enough.

What blocks have you already added? Then I can concentrate on other blocks and items if you open for contribution...

I've already added woodlogs and leaves, so I can contribute with that right away... Also stone/sand/gravel/dirt/grass, but I guess you already have that...

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I am also involved with someone else who is making a port. This is silly to have tripled the efforts. A team of 4 motivated people can get this done. Individually, it is too much work and will eventually sputter out. I recommend forming a team of all of us to work together. 

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TFC is a huge mod that has a messy code base. Because of the code has been layered over the years it is a complicated mess. Although a ton of people will want to help and contribute, the reality is that for the port it will be more efficient for Dries to do a lot of the base alone, reaching out to people he knows for help. Once his port is public that will allow all those who want to help to fork and send pull requests. 

From my involvement in TFC community I believe that it will be better in the long run for it to be more open to contributions, but it needs some tight control to prevent the code base from getting messy. It also is a community with very strong, but divergent view on what is the “right” way. I include myself in the list of strong opinions. 

Dries is one of the few people who have the skills and experience with the TFC codebase to make this a reality. But it is still a big IF. 

So what I’m suggesting is for folks to be patient. IF or when this gets to a public state that will be the point when you can contribute. It will hopefully also get to a stable place that forks can allow different versions to pop up. 

And yes I am also very excited. 

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2 minutes ago, Bunsan said:

*snip*

Well, thanks.

That's one of a couple of reasons I don't want to be too open about involvement at the moment. I don't think multiple code styles mix well, and without any code to set any precedent, there is no guidelines of what/how to contribute.

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Ore gen is the next (big) step.

Wit this being a 1.13 forward looking endeavour, I'm currently at 924 blocks.

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I understand about the coding part of it for the more advanced stuff like the world gen and some of the other interactions. 

Wouldn't it be helpful for someone like me (average skill) to do things like port the items (easy code) so the skilled programmer can focus on the stuff that needs his attention? 

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That sort of contribution will come in time. It will be important for a clear framework/style to exist for folks to follow, but until the base is working I doubt Dries will focus on laying that out. 

Add to that the changes coming to 1.13 and not knowing what tools forge will provide. 

Again I’d suggest patience. 

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Oh look, we are at that point where there is more of TFC than vanilla:

2018-04-10_02.20.11.png

Todays work:

2018-04-10_02.32.50.png

Along with some more invisible changes, like a stripworld command (I got tired of vanilla's commands.), worldgen tweaks, peat & clay generation (With flowers, although the flowers are now yellow wool blocks.), and by far the most important thing: Pumpkins & boulders.

Oh, and ore gen works.

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