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    • Crysyn

      Only help if you can be helpful

      Hey All, A topic has come up of late in the IRC channel in regards to the general feel of the forums and the community that supports them. Things have progressed further than I would have liked with out this being addressed more publicly because I would much rather have snubbed this out sooner rather than later.. but I have been busy. Here is the general rule I would like people to follow: Wheaton's Law "Don't be a dick." Those of you from the IRC channel know that this is the only rule I ask people in there to follow and we generally have a good and lively time chatting about all manner of things. This is basic rule that just about everyone understands and I am going to expand it to the forums from here moving forward. If you can not help people in a helpful and polite manner then I simply ask you to stop. Now I generally take a back seat to moderating the forums as I like to participate in the suggestions forum fairly heavily at times and would rather do so as a forums user than a moderator. But I am also fairly well known for being the person who constantly puts their foot down and so I am stepping up and doing so on here. If you find yourself unable to respond to a message politely then I ask that you do not respond. This mostly focuses on the increasing level of hostility found within the Suggestion forum as well as the Server forum. I do not care if this is the 30th some odd time you have seen someone make the same suggestion. Or even if the new post on an older topic is one entry above the old one. I expect the members of this forum to respond politely to the user, new or old, and point to the older topic if it applies and even go the extra step to suggest they either add in new information or to summarize the outcome of the previous discussion based upon the new post's entry into it. That is what we are here for, that is why I close most topics instead of deleting them, so that they can be found and referenced down the road. The next topic is the slew of derailment attempts I have seen as of late. If you want to have fun and joke around that is what the off topic forum is for and pretty much anything goes there. I do not expect to read a suggestion thread and have to go through 3 pages of image memes people have shot back and forth. Quite simply this is a waste of my time to read and then have to clean up. Now for the summary. I am going to start taking a more active role, especially in policing the suggestion forum, and handing out warn levels to people whom I see doing this. These will be indiscriminate and applied not to just the first person who derails or is impolite on a topic or response, but to everyone whom follows the lead of that person. As I do not like doing things with out giving you all warning this post shall serve as that warning. If you have a desire to bring this topic up with me then I invite you to do so on the IRC channel. Lets raise the level of quality and grow the community. Let us not descend into the quality often found on the minecraft or league of legend forums. There is simply no need for that here. Be passionate about things, just do not be abusive.
    • Kittychanley

      Offline Servers

      Recently I've seen a few server listings showing up on the first page of the Servers forum that have been closed for an extended period of time, but have recently gotten a reply from a new member who didn't realize the server is offline. To help prevent this from happening in the future, it would be greatly appreciated if you could use the report function on the original post of any servers that have been confirmed as offline, so that the topic may be locked. If you are the admin of a server and plan on taking the server offline, please use the report function on the original post of your topic to let the TFC Staff know that the topic should be locked. If you are the admin of a server that has a locked topic, and would wish to bring the server back online, please use the report function on the original post of the topic to let the TFC Staff know that the topic should be unlocked. As always, please remember to follow rule #3 of the servers forum and update your topic title to contain the version of TFC that the server is currently running. You can do so by editing the OP, and then clicking on "Use Full Editor."
Sda215

The (Inevitable) End of the TFC Forums -- Now a Forum for Newcomers and Veterans

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Seems that you need more forum veterans here. Tbh, I didn't post so much in the "third age", because I was busy. I also noticed many other vets doing this. Maybe because in the third age TFC didn't have so many releases. Also, lots of users are gone away, like Esteban, Ditto, Scooterdanny (he went away before the third age), EternalUndeath and many others that we may and, probably, will miss.

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How exactly does this age system work?

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How exactly does this age system work?

In the Age System, for every six months (I decided to increase the number from three to six), an age is defined in that time interval. We've recently started the Third Age, since the Second Age was a time of turmoil and the increasing disappearance of TFC Veterans, which was a sad age. We have yet to see what happens in the beginning of the Third Age (The First Age was a time in the Elder Days [TFC Alpha] of TerraFirmaCraft).

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...the increasing disappearance of TFC Veterans, which was a sad age.

Yeah, sure that it was sad. Lots of them were really nice and funny.

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In the Age System, for every six months (I decided to increase the number from three to six), an age is defined in that time interval. We've recently started the Third Age, since the Second Age was a time of turmoil and the increasing disappearance of TFC Veterans, which was a sad age. We have yet to see what happens in the beginning of the Third Age (The First Age was a time in the Elder Days [TFC Alpha] of TerraFirmaCraft).

With that system the summer would be included in the 2nd age, and that's bollocks if you ask me. The summer and into early fall was when this place thrived.

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With that system the summer would be included in the 2nd age, and that's bollocks if you ask me. The summer and into early fall was when this place thrived.

yes, i'd have to say the second age began around more january/late december, as these forums were rather active up until then
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I know im a bit late to the party, but I would just like to speak my peace on this. I lurk alot, Im a programmer, and my job lets me do dumb stuff, like youtube, and listen to music all day, and sometimes I find myself in need of just, well backing away from whatever im working on and let go for a few minutes. This helps me work through whatever problem im dealing with. I usually use those times to come here and post. At first I started posting discussions / suggestions, but I stopped shortly there after, after seeing most ideas (sometimes spectacularly good ideas), get hashed out by the community, and never spoken of again. After getting over that, and accepting that the suggestions, even if really popular and well hashed out, arent really making it into the game (with a few notabe exceptions), I decided to hang out in IRC, and maybe get to see whats going on with the dev team. While there I learned that Bioxx didnt (dono if he does now) even view these forums unless he had to. We had to rely on dunk, or other people in IRC to relay information to the dev team. To me that meant that dev, through inaction and relying on second hand information, was either too busy or just didnt want to engage much with the community, and the information they were getting was from a single (or a very small number of) interpretation of posts. Watching posts about Dunks homework get 30x the number of views of legitimate suggestions was painful, so I trended away from suggestions and started focusing on support. I tried to be nice, and help people who were being mindnumbingly ignorant, but that scene quickly fell appart as well, because more and more of the posts were simply being replied to with "search the forum" or "stupid noob" or some other really unhelpful, sometimes slanderous attacks on people who were just looking for help. This made it really difficult for me to want to go and help out people who are just having trouble because shortly after a legitmate post, the thread would fill with all these "God TFC is so easy to install, read a book you douche" type posts :/. So now I typically just lurk around, looking for new posts, and usually dont find them. As for TCF2, I read that sea level will be at lvl 16, and im all about mining. That alone really depressed me, but the island chain thing is the worst of all imo. I play this game usually with my wife, and boating is a nightmare, and something she really doesnt want to do, so TFC2 is not something we will be playing. If these things prove to be true, I probably wont play it much, and I know my wife wont at all. As for posts, I wont have much to contribute to the community until 76 comes out, if it ever does...

I dont have any solutions, and as of today, im going to continue to just lurk. I just felt like maybe my experiences here since I joined might be identifiable to some of you, and maybe shed some light on what I can only assume is a typical experience for people who come to this forum, and a contributor to its decline.

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A community which reinforces poor behavior inevitably collapses from within. I've watched good members take flack and then back away from the forums after trying to make them a more open and accepting place for new arrivals. I think, though, that Crysyn is making some good progress in this area. His post on the matter was very refreshing, and I think that it will serve as a strong foundation for the community which is bound to spring up around TFC2.

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I know im a bit late to the party, but I would just like to speak my peace on this. I lurk alot, Im a programmer, and my job lets me do dumb stuff, like youtube, and listen to music all day, and sometimes I find myself in need of just, well backing away from whatever im working on and let go for a few minutes. This helps me work through whatever problem im dealing with. I usually use those times to come here and post. At first I started posting discussions / suggestions, but I stopped shortly there after, after seeing most ideas (sometimes spectacularly good ideas), get hashed out by the community, and never spoken of again. After getting over that, and accepting that the suggestions, even if really popular and well hashed out, arent really making it into the game (with a few notabe exceptions), I decided to hang out in IRC, and maybe get to see whats going on with the dev team. While there I learned that Bioxx didnt (dono if he does now) even view these forums unless he had to. We had to rely on dunk, or other people in IRC to relay information to the dev team. To me that meant that dev, through inaction and relying on second hand information, was either too busy or just didnt want to engage much with the community, and the information they were getting was from a single (or a very small number of) interpretation of posts. Watching posts about Dunks homework get 30x the number of views of legitimate suggestions was painful, so I trended away from suggestions and started focusing on support. I tried to be nice, and help people who were being mindnumbingly ignorant, but that scene quickly fell appart as well, because more and more of the posts were simply being replied to with "search the forum" or "stupid noob" or some other really unhelpful, sometimes slanderous attacks on people who were just looking for help. This made it really difficult for me to want to go and help out people who are just having trouble because shortly after a legitmate post, the thread would fill with all these "God TFC is so easy to install, read a book you douche" type posts :/. So now I typically just lurk around, looking for new posts, and usually dont find them. As for TCF2, I read that sea level will be at lvl 16, and im all about mining. That alone really depressed me, but the island chain thing is the worst of all imo. I play this game usually with my wife, and boating is a nightmare, and something she really doesnt want to do, so TFC2 is not something we will be playing. If these things prove to be true, I probably wont play it much, and I know my wife wont at all. As for posts, I wont have much to contribute to the community until 76 comes out, if it ever does...

I dont have any solutions, and as of today, im going to continue to just lurk. I just felt like maybe my experiences here since I joined might be identifiable to some of you, and maybe shed some light on what I can only assume is a typical experience for people who come to this forum, and a contributor to its decline.

It's quite disappointing to hear that, MDub.

A community which reinforces poor behavior inevitably collapses from within. I've watched good members take flack and then back away from the forums after trying to make them a more open and accepting place for new arrivals. I think, though, that Crysyn is making some good progress in this area. His post on the matter was very refreshing, and I think that it will serve as a strong foundation for the community which is bound to spring up around TFC2.

We can only hope to see what affect his progress will make, but I agree with you. Crysyn's progress might make the TFCII Forums a much more interesting and hopefully safer place.

However, History has a tendacy to repeat itself.

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although these forums might end sooner than expected if the pictures stay so dagnabbed small...

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no srg, dont go berzerk about the pictures, im gonna keep hammering spanser about it :D

also, i like ti pride myself on having helped reduce the negativity by a large deal, and being partly responsible for helping crysyn's public statement being executed.

as for the boating issue mdub, i think me and some other guys have convinced crysyn that it needs a rework given tfc2's enlarged focus on naval systems, and we've brought forth some amazing ideas already, lets see how that works out before writing it off as bad boating = bad mod

and remember, since world generation will now go all the way up to 256 instead of vanilla's limited 128, and bioxx has MASSIVE control over its generation compared to before, you will get awesome mountain ranges that allow you to make a extensive honeycomb of mines inside, that should replace your issue of underground feeling, (and theres also a suggestion for a entirely underground dimension being raised and hailed, perhaps post there?)

most sincerely,

a member that hasnt taken enough flack to back off yet :D

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I think Google makes an account on every forum they find so they can map it out to improve searches for the forum via Google.

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hmmm but still... its quite hilarious isn't it ^^

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Although I would never call someone on this forum a lazy idiot for asking how to install a mod I do notice that more and more posts are turning from "I tried hard to do it myself" to "I'm bad with computers so you do it for me"i rarely respond to the first type but I would never bother with the second. If you are too lazy to even try it try again then you don't deserve help.

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@killsert, Well, I never said I was going to write it off :P. I will without a doubt try TFC2, and may very well enjoy it (with or without the wife :D), but given the information I have now, it doesnt seem likely. Whatever I choose to do, im not stubborn enough to go so far as to not even try it.

@TK You seem to be pretty knowledgable with computer science, and thats a big plus, but remember youre bias. Alot of people just dont 'get it' when it comes to computers, and trying to do it typically ends in failure. I wouldnt willingly engage in some behavior which has historically ruined my day, or otherwise worked out badly for me unless I absolutely had to. You cant just assume people are lazy because they dont want to try to modify files for a game they enjoy, especially when you know nothing about their technical background. Luckly, this problem in particular will probably just go away when TFC is in FTB.

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I just must say sorry for all my absense in these forums... just too much work :/ and last 3 months my commuting route is over a hour per oneway x/ And having kids and (soon to be wife??) girlfriend takes their own time :) Winter just takes its toll on all heavymachinery and all this new courses for all upcoming stuff for those things are taking much time, so im like waking up 6 am, come back 4-5 pm, and rest off the day goes reading new manuals and playing with my kids so just not enough hours in days to play much :/ I have been checking in now and then but noticed that this place has gone quiet, maybe TFC2 helps? Im atleast trying to get back in bughunting when workload eases off my back :P

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@killsert, Well, I never said I was going to write it off :P/>. I will without a doubt try TFC2, and may very well enjoy it (with or without the wife :D/>), but given the information I have now, it doesnt seem likely. Whatever I choose to do, im not stubborn enough to go so far as to not even try it.

@TK You seem to be pretty knowledgable with computer science, and thats a big plus, but remember youre bias. Alot of people just dont 'get it' when it comes to computers, and trying to do it typically ends in failure. I wouldnt willingly engage in some behavior which has historically ruined my day, or otherwise worked out badly for me unless I absolutely had to. You cant just assume people are lazy because they dont want to try to modify files for a game they enjoy, especially when you know nothing about their technical background. Luckly, this problem in particular will probably just go away when TFC is in FTB.

Well I'm not your regular pc user. You are right in some respects but I still think people are being a bit lazy. When I see a problem in something I don't just give up or try to go around. I punch that problem to death with my bare fists. And if it takes 10 minutes or 10 years I don't give up. I started trying to learn to program when I got my first computer when I was 8. At first i was highly confused but eventually here I am not giving a damn that the problems I'm solving have already been solved and trying to solve them myself. When I first saw dwarf fortress in its true glory I wasn't scared by the interface in plowed straight in so instead of failing to get past the embark screen i now fail in even more creative ways like having my military slaughtered by 3 goblin sieges in a row and the attack of a forgotten beast which eventually lead my fortress to go into a spiral of decline.

I might be unique but what is stopping all those people from facing problems in the same way?

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When I first saw dwarf fortress in its true glory I wasn't scared by the interface in plowed straight in so instead of failing to get past the embark screen i now fail in even more creative ways like having my military slaughtered by 3 goblin sieges in a row and the attack of a forgotten beast which eventually lead my fortress to go into a spiral of decline.

At this point in my Dwarf Fortress career, if all that takes me down is a tantrum spiral, I count it as a win.

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At this point in my Dwarf Fortress career, if all that takes me down is a tantrum spiral, I count it as a win.

I mean I had fought off the 3 goblin sieges and killed the forgotten beast and I also could have probably managed to bring the fortress back up from the tantrum spiral but I was getting a bit bored with the fortress,

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At this point in my Dwarf Fortress career, if all that takes me down is a tantrum spiral, I count it as a win.

I managed to survive a tantrum spiral once, but I lost the will to continue and tried destroying it, which took too long and I abandoned it, rather. Same with a more recent fortress. Had to lock myself out from my first goblin invasion, as I was still getting my military ready. After a little while, I again lost the will to continue and tried to let them in, only the remaining goblins (as their first wave was disasterous due to traps) were pummelled, though the ones got through did some carnage, but were killed by my hunters. Decided to dig into cavern I discovered, nothing happened after little while, abandoned it.

I should probably be more patient about destruction.

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I might be unique but what is stopping all those people from facing problems in the same way?

Let me refer you to my original point. They are not you, you dont share identical experiences, skills, or motivations. Believe it or not, people do behave differently from individual to individual, and their motivations are often times much more complex than simply "they are lazy".

I find it troubling that you dont understand this... its like you lack a theory of mind or something :/. You might wanna consider working on your interpersonal skills, especially empathy :P.

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Let me refer you to my original point. They are not you, you dont share identical experiences, skills, or motivations. Believe it or not, people do behave differently from individual to individual, and their motivations are often times much more complex than simply "they are lazy".

I find it troubling that you dont understand this... its like you lack a theory of mind or something :/. You might wanna consider working on your interpersonal skills, especially empathy :P/>.

Lies! You spew liiieeees!

We are all the same. You are me! I am you! We are one!

I have no choice but to call the Grammaton Clerics now!

Your individualistic viewpoints must be purged!

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Let me refer you to my original point. They are not you, you dont share identical experiences, skills, or motivations. Believe it or not, people do behave differently from individual to individual, and their motivations are often times much more complex than simply "they are lazy".

I find it troubling that you dont understand this... its like you lack a theory of mind or something :/. You might wanna consider working on your interpersonal skills, especially empathy :P.

Heh, active empathy.

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EDIT: Wait what?...wrong thread.......

Since this a derail i will get it back on topic, following the law of similarity it is a good thing to be individual.

Menoch, if i punched myself in the balls, you would feel the pain too, to that degree in which we are similar.

That said it would be passive empathy as it is in our nature we are similar.

Active sympathy on the other hand is forcing our natures to be alike by means of (yes -TK-) active empathy.

The inverse side of this is antipathy (???), is differing and not being similar to one another, take for example -TK-.

Following Mdub's statement he passively is different in nature as others, that would mean that it would not work the way as with menoch.

Or he is actually actively trying to be different from others. Thereby both ways would not work.

That is commonly known as the law of similarity, or empathy magic.

Derail turned back to on topic derail :P.

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Menoch, if i punched myself in the balls, you would feel the pain too, to that degree in which we are similar.

Really?

Mmm...yes ... your theory... it...

Ok. Go ahead and lets test that.

If I don't respond, do it again... it may not have been hard enough.

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