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Manganese. No not Magnesium...

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Manganese.

 

No. not Magnesium.  its Manganese, You've probably never heard of this but its a transition metal on the periodic table atomic number 25 right next to iron.

  • It has a melting point of 2275F which is around cast iron.
  • Manganese is like iron. You can grind it, alloy it, and forge it..
  • It was discovered in 1770 and was isolated form the ore in 1774.
  • Manganese is used in alloying today in U.S. coins, 6061 Aluminum alloys, and Steel alloying production.

 

Manganese does come in native form like copper, gold and silver and there are a two to 3 ores that contain it. such as:

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  • Spiegeleisen
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Now your probably thinking " that's pointless when you can just have iron or steel"

Well yes maybe but,  manganese has a hardness level of 6.0 and iron is a 4.0 . making Manganese a much stronger metal.  Its also the 12th most abundant metal on the earths crust. manganese is used to alloy with iron to create steel in productions to make the iron harder. 

So all in all Personally I think that Manganese would be nice to have because......It adds more variety,(even though there's already a ton of it) and Another component to steel production making it more difficult and adding more realism to the alloying process. It also resembles iron and rusts like it too. 

Thank you for reading  :D  :D I hope to actually melt this metal in real life soon! B) 

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In reality, you don't want hard, rigid materials in your weapons (except spears because of the small size of the contact point) because the metal will shatter instead of bending or vibrating.

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i would like to think that things like saws or other tools could work well with a harder metal.

 

Applied to the rest of the metals , you could add to them that they are better suited for different tools, than other metals...

 

it would be nice :)

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Yeah, There's another metal that hardens other metals is called antimony but its very very toxic.

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In reality, you don't want hard, rigid materials in your weapons (except spears because of the small size of the contact point) because the metal will shatter instead of bending or vibrating.

 

 

There is a difference between hardness and brittleness. Something can be very hard but not at all brittle (like diamond) or very brittle, but not hard at all (like toast). I know these aren't the best examples, but really, something that is brittle is only that way because of points where there is little connectivity between other points near it, and as such, the support structure is too weak to keep the material from breaking apart. 

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In reality, you don't want hard, rigid materials in your weapons (except spears because of the small size of the contact point) because the metal will shatter instead of bending or vibrating.

 

 

In fact, in many tools, like chisel, axe, sword and knife, you can have different kind of steel. The idea is to have a really hard metal for the sharp edge, so it will stay sharper longer, and you want to have a softer outside, that will give more flexibility to the tool and prevent it from breaking in pieces.

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People don't make tools out of manganese they instead make Strong tools out of Manganese Steel to strengthen it.

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Nice suggestion, but you said yourself that this wasn't discovered until 1770. TFC's time frame, officially, has been determined to end in the 1500's, and even that date is stretching it. So sorry, I'm almost sure this will not be added

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There is a difference between hardness and brittleness. Something can be very hard but not at all brittle (like diamond) or very brittle, but not hard at all (like toast). I know these aren't the best examples, but really, something that is brittle is only that way because of points where there is little connectivity between other points near it, and as such, the support structure is too weak to keep the material from breaking apart. 

Diamond is brittle. Smack a diamond with a mallet on an anvil, and the mallet and anvil will be marred but usable, but the diamond will shatter. This is because diamond doesn't take much strain to reach its failure point, and the energy absorbed during this process is the area under its stress-strain curve. If there is little strain, then the fact that the stress at this point is much greater does not matter much. Only a very small amount of energy is required to bring the diamond to this point.

 

Non-metallic crystals of all types are brittle because their bonds cannot be displaced very far without breaking — they accumulate little strain. In a metal, the atoms can be displaced much more without breaking the metal, because the electrons are already delocalized in a Fermi gas spread throughout the metal body, so they can accumulate a lot more strain.

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Nice suggestion, but you said yourself that this wasn't discovered until 1770. TFC's time frame, officially, has been determined to end in the 1500's, and even that date is stretching it. So sorry, I'm almost sure this will not be added

 

 

well if tfc has buckets that can pick up lava. shit i think this can be added... lol

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To be fair, I think alloying manganese into the highest tier steels would be more believable then silver/gold/whatever.

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well if tfc has buckets that can pick up lava. shit i think this can be added... lol

The lava buckets are a 'believability - realistic' issue. The manganese not being added has the same reasoning as why guns won't be added into TFC. Time window issues.

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The lava buckets are a 'believability - realistic' issue. The manganese not being added has the same reasoning as why guns won't be added into TFC. Time window issues.

time of discovery != technology being able to handle the material.

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Why would we want another metal type? They're all exactly the same, unless you implement some metal that has different qualities other than more or less durability. There is really no point in adding more metals simply for the heck of it and because they exist in the real world. We already have high tier and low tier metals, what would be the difference with this one? Why not be content with red and blue steel as end-game OP metals?

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