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    • Crysyn

      Only help if you can be helpful

      Hey All, A topic has come up of late in the IRC channel in regards to the general feel of the forums and the community that supports them. Things have progressed further than I would have liked with out this being addressed more publicly because I would much rather have snubbed this out sooner rather than later.. but I have been busy. Here is the general rule I would like people to follow: Wheaton's Law "Don't be a dick." Those of you from the IRC channel know that this is the only rule I ask people in there to follow and we generally have a good and lively time chatting about all manner of things. This is basic rule that just about everyone understands and I am going to expand it to the forums from here moving forward. If you can not help people in a helpful and polite manner then I simply ask you to stop. Now I generally take a back seat to moderating the forums as I like to participate in the suggestions forum fairly heavily at times and would rather do so as a forums user than a moderator. But I am also fairly well known for being the person who constantly puts their foot down and so I am stepping up and doing so on here. If you find yourself unable to respond to a message politely then I ask that you do not respond. This mostly focuses on the increasing level of hostility found within the Suggestion forum as well as the Server forum. I do not care if this is the 30th some odd time you have seen someone make the same suggestion. Or even if the new post on an older topic is one entry above the old one. I expect the members of this forum to respond politely to the user, new or old, and point to the older topic if it applies and even go the extra step to suggest they either add in new information or to summarize the outcome of the previous discussion based upon the new post's entry into it. That is what we are here for, that is why I close most topics instead of deleting them, so that they can be found and referenced down the road. The next topic is the slew of derailment attempts I have seen as of late. If you want to have fun and joke around that is what the off topic forum is for and pretty much anything goes there. I do not expect to read a suggestion thread and have to go through 3 pages of image memes people have shot back and forth. Quite simply this is a waste of my time to read and then have to clean up. Now for the summary. I am going to start taking a more active role, especially in policing the suggestion forum, and handing out warn levels to people whom I see doing this. These will be indiscriminate and applied not to just the first person who derails or is impolite on a topic or response, but to everyone whom follows the lead of that person. As I do not like doing things with out giving you all warning this post shall serve as that warning. If you have a desire to bring this topic up with me then I invite you to do so on the IRC channel. Lets raise the level of quality and grow the community. Let us not descend into the quality often found on the minecraft or league of legend forums. There is simply no need for that here. Be passionate about things, just do not be abusive.
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      Offline Servers

      Recently I've seen a few server listings showing up on the first page of the Servers forum that have been closed for an extended period of time, but have recently gotten a reply from a new member who didn't realize the server is offline. To help prevent this from happening in the future, it would be greatly appreciated if you could use the report function on the original post of any servers that have been confirmed as offline, so that the topic may be locked. If you are the admin of a server and plan on taking the server offline, please use the report function on the original post of your topic to let the TFC Staff know that the topic should be locked. If you are the admin of a server that has a locked topic, and would wish to bring the server back online, please use the report function on the original post of the topic to let the TFC Staff know that the topic should be unlocked. As always, please remember to follow rule #3 of the servers forum and update your topic title to contain the version of TFC that the server is currently running. You can do so by editing the OP, and then clicking on "Use Full Editor."
TheHighestKite

More Survival Bars! Yay (Idea's From The Enviromine Mod)

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Check Out The Enviromine Mod.

 

I Think Some Of The Aspects Of The Enviromine Mod, Should Be Added To TerraFirmaCraft.

Just To Add More To The Realism of The Game, Add To The Difficulty Of The Game, And Just I Believe Make It A Funner Experience 

 

Like Being Able To OverHeat, And Freeze To Death,

A Added Air Quality Bar, And Being Able To Suffocate To Death If Air Quality Levels Get To Low,

And A Sanity Bar, With Bed Rest, Flowers, Hot Springs, Etc. Being Able To Fill Said Bar Up.

 

To Get A Better Idea Of What I'm Trying To Purpose Here, Please Check Out The Enviromine Mod On YouTube, In A Showcase Of Some Kind. 

 

 

 

Please Leave Feedback!!!   =D

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1. TFC isn't aiming to be realistic. See my signature below or the FAQ page.

2. Body temperature is already planned for future builds.

3. Sanity bars have already been suggested in the past, and the idea has generally been shot down. This is Minecraft, not Don't Starve.

4. Please don't capitalize the first letter of every single word in your post, it makes it extremely difficult to read.

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1. TFC isn't aiming to be realistic. See my signature below or the FAQ page.

2. Body temperature is already planned for future builds.

3. Sanity bars have already been suggested in the past, and the idea has generally been shot down. This is Minecraft, not Don't Starve.

4. Please don't capitalize the first letter of every single word in your post, it makes it extremely difficult to read.

1. I don't see how capitalizing every word makes it harder to read, but I'll give it a go,

2. I'm very glad body temperature is being added in the future

3. I know realism isn't the 100% Goal of this mod. But it is a main factor of it.

4. Please don't shoot me down so fast, and atleast look into what I'm purposing

5. And what about Air Quality? 

 

 

 

-It's a game made of freakin blocks, I don't expect everything to be 100% realistic in the 1st place, but ya know it is very neat to add in the details, no matter how minor

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I don't see how capitalizing every word makes it harder to read, but I'll give it a go,

 

The English language carries the following conventions about capitalization:

- The first letter of a new sentence is capitalized, in order to mark the structural break in the flow of text.

- Proper names and titles are capitalized, as a means of emphasis/honorific.

 

By capitalizing every word, you break these conventions. The first, immediate effect is that anyone used to reading conventional English will immediately notice that something is "not right". It feels instinctively off, because they're used to seeing capitalization used very rarely.

 

The secondary effect is that you're scrambling the flow of text. The reader can no longer rely on using capitalization to detect where sentences start and end; in effect, he has to invest far more effort into scanning for punctuation than he usually would. Furthermore, the melody of each sentence (what you "hear" in your head when you read something) is lost. But that melody forms an important part of our instinctive understanding of language - for example, we can identify that a sentence is a question even without understanding a word, just by how the pitch changes from start to end. Without a melody, your text comes across as robotic and unnatural, and it requires additional effort to try and figure out what you're actually saying. Similarly, proper names lose their emphasis, which in some cases can lead to ambiguity: the word "earth" describes soil and dirt in general, while the word "Earth" is the proper name of the planet we live on. Depending on how you form a sentence, you might be meaning the latter but people assume that you mean the former because it looks just like every other word in your text that is falsely capitalized.

 

The tertiary effect, finally, is that people put off by this style of writing will often subconsciously put you into undesirable categories in their head. "He/She's whoring for attention." - "He/She is borderline illiterate." - "He/She must be really annoying to be around." You're basically flubbing your first impression on strangers, and first impressions form a majority of what we base our personal interactions on. It doesn't matter if none of these things are actually true - what matters is that people think they might be true. You're selling yourself short.

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some opinions.

Air Quality.

How will we do this? I mean, sure I can think of things that will lower it, but what raises it?

How will we be able to say, go down to our mines without suffocating because of no airflow and tons of burning sticks everywhere?

And I don't really like Enviromine's 'leaves makes clean air' It just makes you carry a load of leaves around with no real purpose, and random leaves looks ugly.

 

 

3. I know realism isn't the 100% Goal of this mod. But it is a main factor of it.

No not really. It's believability, then gameplay. It's not realistic for planted seeds to instantly sprout, but it's believable, and it works with gameplay(give feedback so people know that they have planted the seed), so we do it.

 

I think we have enough bars currently, and adding more would require lots of items, thoughts, and consideration so it doesn't just turn into a annoyance that simply eats up slots.

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No Air Quality bars please. It just wouldn't add enough bang for the development time buck.  No Sanity bars ever, please.  I have no need in-game or in RL for flowers and hot springs to keep me sane.

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The English language carries the following conventions about capitalization:

- The first letter of a new sentence is capitalized, in order to mark the structural break in the flow of text.

- Proper names and titles are capitalized, as a means of emphasis/honorific.

 

By capitalizing every word, you break these conventions. The first, immediate effect is that anyone used to reading conventional English will immediately notice that something is "not right". It feels instinctively off, because they're used to seeing capitalization used very rarely.

 

The secondary effect is that you're scrambling the flow of text. The reader can no longer rely on using capitalization to detect where sentences start and end; in effect, he has to invest far more effort into scanning for punctuation than he usually would. Furthermore, the melody of each sentence (what you "hear" in your head when you read something) is lost. But that melody forms an important part of our instinctive understanding of language - for example, we can identify that a sentence is a question even without understanding a word, just by how the pitch changes from start to end. Without a melody, your text comes across as robotic and unnatural, and it requires additional effort to try and figure out what you're actually saying. Similarly, proper names lose their emphasis, which in some cases can lead to ambiguity: the word "earth" describes soil and dirt in general, while the word "Earth" is the proper name of the planet we live on. Depending on how you form a sentence, you might be meaning the latter but people assume that you mean the former because it looks just like every other word in your text that is falsely capitalized.

 

The tertiary effect, finally, is that people put off by this style of writing will often subconsciously put you into undesirable categories in their head. "He/She's whoring for attention." - "He/She is borderline illiterate." - "He/She must be really annoying to be around." You're basically flubbing your first impression on strangers, and first impressions form a majority of what we base our personal interactions on. It doesn't matter if none of these things are actually true - what matters is that people think they might be true. You're selling yourself short.

 

Pretty much type right its not cool or fun its annoying as hell. Ow ould ou ike f  eft ut he irst etter f very ord inda  ain ight?

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-snip-

 

I appreciate the HELL out of what you're trying to do here, but a suggestion thread is not the place for wall-o-texts about anything other than the thread topic. That said, if you want to PM this guy a full treatise on the workings of the English language, then please god by all means - you're just saving me the work of doing it myself.

 

But yeah, serious threads stay on topic plz (derail stupid ideas all you like though, that's fine).

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For me is a good idea add a body temperature bar like the enviromine's one, but the other bars are tedious, so make them is ok, but add config settings for disable their effects if a player wish... This is my opinion.

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More options to become more hard and boring?
We need more low tech items to have more cool things to do!

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Seems like this has been proposed before.   Since it's a mod, I don't see why you can't just tweak it to work with TFC yourself.  I know that at least one of the mod packs does this.  Technofirma, I think?

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Necro'd. The ideas in this thread are outdated and TFC2 will likely be something else. The body temperature feature will probably be a low priority for Bioxx for the time being (if he would be so kind to confirm this).

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