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      Hey All, A topic has come up of late in the IRC channel in regards to the general feel of the forums and the community that supports them. Things have progressed further than I would have liked with out this being addressed more publicly because I would much rather have snubbed this out sooner rather than later.. but I have been busy. Here is the general rule I would like people to follow: Wheaton's Law "Don't be a dick." Those of you from the IRC channel know that this is the only rule I ask people in there to follow and we generally have a good and lively time chatting about all manner of things. This is basic rule that just about everyone understands and I am going to expand it to the forums from here moving forward. If you can not help people in a helpful and polite manner then I simply ask you to stop. Now I generally take a back seat to moderating the forums as I like to participate in the suggestions forum fairly heavily at times and would rather do so as a forums user than a moderator. But I am also fairly well known for being the person who constantly puts their foot down and so I am stepping up and doing so on here. If you find yourself unable to respond to a message politely then I ask that you do not respond. This mostly focuses on the increasing level of hostility found within the Suggestion forum as well as the Server forum. I do not care if this is the 30th some odd time you have seen someone make the same suggestion. Or even if the new post on an older topic is one entry above the old one. I expect the members of this forum to respond politely to the user, new or old, and point to the older topic if it applies and even go the extra step to suggest they either add in new information or to summarize the outcome of the previous discussion based upon the new post's entry into it. That is what we are here for, that is why I close most topics instead of deleting them, so that they can be found and referenced down the road. The next topic is the slew of derailment attempts I have seen as of late. If you want to have fun and joke around that is what the off topic forum is for and pretty much anything goes there. I do not expect to read a suggestion thread and have to go through 3 pages of image memes people have shot back and forth. Quite simply this is a waste of my time to read and then have to clean up. Now for the summary. I am going to start taking a more active role, especially in policing the suggestion forum, and handing out warn levels to people whom I see doing this. These will be indiscriminate and applied not to just the first person who derails or is impolite on a topic or response, but to everyone whom follows the lead of that person. As I do not like doing things with out giving you all warning this post shall serve as that warning. If you have a desire to bring this topic up with me then I invite you to do so on the IRC channel. Lets raise the level of quality and grow the community. Let us not descend into the quality often found on the minecraft or league of legend forums. There is simply no need for that here. Be passionate about things, just do not be abusive.
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Arrowcrest

How to starve to death?

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I really like the new way that the game handles nutrition and hunger, especially the way in which operating on an empty stomach causes nutrition loss rather than health loss - I think it gives a much more believable representation of starvation than simply dying from going without food for a day.

 

However, I like to play TFC in the mindset of a frontier settler: I move to a harsh wilderness, try to scratch out a homestead in a race against the seasons, and then try desperately to survive the lack of food that winter brings. To that end, I really look forward to the (eventual) body temperature system adding a new layer to that challenge.My problem is that under the new system, the race against winter and the cycle of seasons has been neutered by the inability to die from starvation, the single unavoidable opponent to my survival. The old starvation system, awkward as it was, made the potential for running out of stores during the long-dark a real threat that could genuinely kill me. The new system will turn me into a fragile waif, but a fragile waif perfectly capable of surviving an entire harvest cycle without eating if I simply avoid exploring bear infested woods or staying out after dark. (The way that I play the game, it is almost never the case that I take any damage unless deliberately placing myself in voluntary danger). While I am sure many, if not most, others players find this hunger-as-a-soft-limit approach freeing for their personal approach to the TFC experience, it completely removes the sense of purpose that motivated my enjoyment of the mod.

 

My question is this: Is there any way, through editing either the config files or the mod files themselves, that I can remove the floor on how low the max-hp level can be reduced by a lack of nutrition? I really want to maintain the way that hunger and nutrition currently interact, but I would like severe malnutrition to genuinely lead to death in-and-of-itself. It seems simple enough in concept that by setting the hp-max floor to zero instead of 50, this could be achieved. Yes, I am aware that I could simply off myself if I ever reached the 50hp level to simulate starvation, but it just doesn't create the same kind of immersive head-space.

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This is a very interesting question. So far as I know, there is no such config option. At least, I would expect it to be located here:

player {   # The maximum achievable health pool total.   I:HealthGainCap=3000   # The rate of Health Gain per experience level. Set to 0 to turn off.   I:HealthGainRate=20}

And I don't see an option for it there.

 

So then there is the second option. I do not know exactly what file you would need to edit, but somewhere there has to be a line that sets 50hp as the minumum. Simply slip in a line that kills you and you should be good. I think com/bioxx/tfc/Core/Player/ would be a good place to start.

 

EDIT: Found it! I'll pm you the details.

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Just a heads up, setting the minimum HP to 0 actually won't kill you. Players can run around with 0 HP until they actual take a true damage source that kills them. The way the nutrition system drains HP doesn't actually harm the player in any way, so there's no trigger to kill them if it were to hit 0.

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I fell from a ladder while cutting trees last night, when i hit the ground hp goes to zero. I was like "phew" :D

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