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      Hey All, A topic has come up of late in the IRC channel in regards to the general feel of the forums and the community that supports them. Things have progressed further than I would have liked with out this being addressed more publicly because I would much rather have snubbed this out sooner rather than later.. but I have been busy. Here is the general rule I would like people to follow: Wheaton's Law "Don't be a dick." Those of you from the IRC channel know that this is the only rule I ask people in there to follow and we generally have a good and lively time chatting about all manner of things. This is basic rule that just about everyone understands and I am going to expand it to the forums from here moving forward. If you can not help people in a helpful and polite manner then I simply ask you to stop. Now I generally take a back seat to moderating the forums as I like to participate in the suggestions forum fairly heavily at times and would rather do so as a forums user than a moderator. But I am also fairly well known for being the person who constantly puts their foot down and so I am stepping up and doing so on here. If you find yourself unable to respond to a message politely then I ask that you do not respond. This mostly focuses on the increasing level of hostility found within the Suggestion forum as well as the Server forum. I do not care if this is the 30th some odd time you have seen someone make the same suggestion. Or even if the new post on an older topic is one entry above the old one. I expect the members of this forum to respond politely to the user, new or old, and point to the older topic if it applies and even go the extra step to suggest they either add in new information or to summarize the outcome of the previous discussion based upon the new post's entry into it. That is what we are here for, that is why I close most topics instead of deleting them, so that they can be found and referenced down the road. The next topic is the slew of derailment attempts I have seen as of late. If you want to have fun and joke around that is what the off topic forum is for and pretty much anything goes there. I do not expect to read a suggestion thread and have to go through 3 pages of image memes people have shot back and forth. Quite simply this is a waste of my time to read and then have to clean up. Now for the summary. I am going to start taking a more active role, especially in policing the suggestion forum, and handing out warn levels to people whom I see doing this. These will be indiscriminate and applied not to just the first person who derails or is impolite on a topic or response, but to everyone whom follows the lead of that person. As I do not like doing things with out giving you all warning this post shall serve as that warning. If you have a desire to bring this topic up with me then I invite you to do so on the IRC channel. Lets raise the level of quality and grow the community. Let us not descend into the quality often found on the minecraft or league of legend forums. There is simply no need for that here. Be passionate about things, just do not be abusive.
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creeperbane

When can we play tfc2?

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Dats about it.

waiting for seventeen months man! cannot wait any longer!

THE SCOTTSMEN WILL TAKE IT ALL!

DEFEND OUR LANDS!

 

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You can't wait? Go get it here

 

What are you waiting for? Just. Do. It. Don't let your dreams be dreams.

 

*body gesture*

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In case it isn't obvious, Miner239 has linked the source code for TFC2. The only way you can play the mod is if you go take that code and compile it yourself. I wouldn't bother though, as we haven't even finished with world generation, so you won't be able to do anything other than fly around and look at stuff.

 

Considering that nothing has been for development other than world generation, the answer for when TFC2 will be released is "not soon."

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does it take time to integrate all the gameplay stuff once the world gen done or it is the new world gen most tough to integrate..

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TFC2 is a complete re-conception and rewrite of the mod. There is no "integrating all the gameplay stuff" because we're rewriting everything from scratch.

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yeah yeah i know that, but okay you must first at least think about this complete re-conception!!!!

hahaha not this year so ;)

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Honestly it all comes down to how I'm feeling each day. Some days I just can't focus on anything MC related and I do other stuff. These types of days can often stretch for 1-2 weeks at a time. But when I am in the mood to work on TFC, I often get a lot accomplished in a short amount of time. But because of this, I can't put a timeframe on things. As Kitty said, there is no real gameplay to speak of at this point.I'd like to get a few more major features in before I start releasing anything in a compiled form.

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Honestly it all comes down to how I'm feeling each day. Some days I just can't focus on anything MC related and I do other stuff. These types of days can often stretch for 1-2 weeks at a time. But when I am in the mood to work on TFC, I often get a lot accomplished in a short amount of time. But because of this, I can't put a timeframe on things. As Kitty said, there is no real gameplay to speak of at this point.I'd like to get a few more major features in before I start releasing anything in a compiled form.

 

Maybe you can make a road map of where you want to go, and what you want to make in TFC2, so ppl can contribute? A little help have never hurt anyone... ;-)

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alright, take all the time it needs ;)

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Do you (really, applying to anyone, but I would love it if I could get an answer from a developer), foresee the development of TFC2 progressing in a similar fashion to TFC1, how the base systems were set into motion and improved with each version, will the idea be to work on a mechanic or two at a time, or are neither of those guesses correct?

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Maybe you can make a road map of where you want to go, and what you want to make in TFC2, so ppl can contribute? A little help have never hurt anyone... ;-)

I thik tha would be great, any news that the developers could give us...

And even get more donators and stuff... SO maybe then your mood to work in TFC2 improves... and so on

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Maybe you can make a road map

well, that could be great, but feeling of surprises are nice too you know ! ;)

Searching for bioxx and kitty posts on TFC2 is part of the fun too :)

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I CANT WAIT FOR THE TFC2!!!!! lol but i will happily wait as i am sure others would agree that better to wait and have a great version of it than you guys rush it and have lots of issues ::)

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One thing that I really want to refrain from doing this time is writing systems that are not well thought out and end up needing to be rewritten every 6 months. My current plan is to get to a point where I have enough basic systems in place to support gameplay on tier 0 islands and we'll release something at that point. Due to the nature of TFC in general, a lot of different systems are connected so each one needs to be in place. On top of that, I'm not always sure how I want to go about doing certain things yet, so it's taking time. More than I would have wanted.

 

I will say this. I don't expect to release anything until MC 1.9. A number of the combat related changes are interesting and I want to be able to take advantage of much of that. Thankfully 1.9 will not be overhauling anything major like 1.8 so Forge will probably be available for 1.9 in a timely manner after its release.

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Awesome, i'm excited we will have a MC 1.9 release of TFC2 when it's ready. 

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One thing that I really want to refrain from doing this time is writing systems that are not well thought out and end up needing to be rewritten every 6 months. My current plan is to get to a point where I have enough basic systems in place to support gameplay on tier 0 islands and we'll release something at that point. Due to the nature of TFC in general, a lot of different systems are connected so each one needs to be in place. On top of that, I'm not always sure how I want to go about doing certain things yet, so it's taking time. More than I would have wanted.

 

I will say this. I don't expect to release anything until MC 1.9. A number of the combat related changes are interesting and I want to be able to take advantage of much of that. Thankfully 1.9 will not be overhauling anything major like 1.8 so Forge will probably be available for 1.9 in a timely manner after its release.

I apologize if the timing on asking this isn't the greatest, but has any of the prior mechanics changed so far from what we know in TFC1? I noticed the feed of tweets from you and Kitty implying that the crops and torches have been implimented for TFC2 so far.

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I apologize if the timing on asking this isn't the greatest, but has any of the prior mechanics changed so far from what we know in TFC1? I noticed the feed of tweets from you and Kitty implying that the crops and torches have been implimented for TFC2 so far.

 

Most of the prior mechanics are going to change. The reason that you haven't seen any super big changes of mechanics on our twitter feeds is because those changes are still in the planning stages. Implementing the very basics of simpler mechanics like torches, or the beginnings of agriculture even if they aren't fully fleshed out are a lot easier to do, and have something that we can actually take a screenshot of to share.

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Most of the prior mechanics are going to change. The reason that you haven't seen any super big changes of mechanics on our twitter feeds is because those changes are still in the planning stages. Implementing the very basics of simpler mechanics like torches, or the beginnings of agriculture even if they aren't fully fleshed out are a lot easier to do, and have something that we can actually take a screenshot of to share.

Thanks for the feedback! I wanted to be sure if I was actually reading into those tweets too much. I can understand why you would want to get that out of the way first, though. Honestly, I'd probably do the same. I'm looking forward to the coming changes.

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Over a year passed and still... not finished. Kitty, why not hiring a friend to help you? Apart from Bioxx.

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Over a year passed and still... not finished. Kitty, why not hiring a friend to help you? Apart from Bioxx.

 

I know you mean well with this post, so I'm not going to reply with my usual rant. I will however reply with a list of clarifications so you understand why a post like this would usually get a rant as a reply:

  1. Bioxx is the primary developer on TFC2, not me.
  2. I have been working solely on TFC1 for the past year, that means that in the "over a year passed" really only Bioxx has been working on it. I only just started helping out with TFC2 about a month ago.
  3. All  work on all versions of TerraFirmaCraft is done in our free time, with no pay.
  4. ​I am a full time student. I only work on TFC when I'm not working on projects, homework, studying for exams, filling out graduation and job applications, spending time with my friends and family, or just taking a break from life and relaxing.
  5. Developing TFC is nothing more than a hobby. We have lives outside of this mod that take higher priority, especially considering that we aren't getting paid for our work.
  6. Considering that nobody gets paid to work on TFC, we can't "hire a friend" to help us, because we can't pay them. We are also hesitant on including volunteers who offer their help for free, because when it comes to software development, things can get messy really quickly as you add more people to a project. It's much easier to stick to a vision for the mod when there are fewer people who have a deep understanding of that vision.

Finally, and most importantly, please understand that pestering us about the release date does more harm than good. It really doesn't motivate us, and if anything often makes us feel kind of bad, like we are letting you guys down. And when we feel bad, we do even less work because it's not fun and therefore it will take even longer before TFC2 is released.

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Ok. We will wait when you are finished and then you can release your first release of TFC2.

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