Mileaos2

well, then i suggest to change copper and bronze plates, so you have to cast them (like the weapons they only need 100 units of metal)

woops, my bad, sorry about that

why more grind?

okay, you need charcoal instead of wood. its a bit more work, but isnt that big problem.

and the extra oven, but like i said the shaft oven shouldnt need any metal, only cobblestone and some clay, not that hard to get your hands on.

i reworked the initial post and added iron related stuff.

and to adress tedium:

the shaft oven should increase the metal output, because it can smelt more stuff at the same time and the metal pieces make it easyer to create alloys.

and to the iron change: so you cant loose your blooms by accident anymore (or any iron by that matter) because the forge wont get hot enough to smelt them anyways.

i like the change =)

and when we get canldes and laterns, iam even more happy =) (those with burnout aswell ofc^^ )

Peat is used since centurys until today as fuel (startet with cooking, over iron production up until now for energy)

my suggestion is:

only mineable with shovel

the mined peat has to be dryed then, just rightclick it on the ground.

it shouldnt appear as "peatblock" anymore, more in "brickform" both forms should be placeable like metal ingots

after a few hours you can use it in a campfire (should be quite hot, afaik it has an similar calorific value like browncoal)

but to refine it more, you could place it in a charcoal pit like wood and generate peat-charcoal (same uses like normal one, but less efficient)

an post in my barrel preservation topic pointed out, it isnt really nessesary for barrels to need metalrings to craft them.

so i developed the idea for barrel tiers.

here is the specific suggestion, i removed the barrel-need-metal part

http://terrafirmacraft.com/f/topic/5679-barrels-for-conservation-and-storing-stuff/

they shouldnt have slots like ceramic vessels, dont get my wrong!

they keep how there working, but get different sizes and capacities (and looks ofc)

the numbers are not perfect, i know

normal barrels just out of planks should have the sice of ceramic vessels and can hold up to 5 stacks of 1 item. (for preservation, storage purposes or the actual uses for barrels)

those small barrels could be placeable like ceramic vessels.

the next tier need 2 bronze rings (each one is crafted out of a (double?-) ignot on the anvil)

the bigger barrel is more like the actual barrel, but a bit shorter in size

it can hold, lets say 20 stacks of 1 item.

last tier is out of iron or steel, needs 2 rings

size is like the actual barrel

it can hold up to 25 or more stacks of 1 item

well, the vessel should be less good in preserving food with sealed foods than barrels

and i guess it easier when they use the same decay mechanik than everything else

and the basic idea to give each food type they own preservative material is, to give those materials more uses

ofc it isnt nessersary, but then all those preservatives should be usable.

stuff i find shittons of every world i load: native copper and native gold, bismuth, iron ores

Agreed that skipping copper is an issue that should be addressed. But you still have to figure out how to deal with cassiterite and black bronze.

well, black bronze needs gold and silver and in most worlds i have a shitton of gold, but no silver, so no black bronze XD

and cass is no native ore, so you have to use the shaft oven + copper anvil from my suggestion

by the way, the shaft oven could be used to smelt bigger amounts of ores, than the pit kiln.

Most of the early (copper, bronze era) ores are Sulphides or Carbonates. The sulphur and carbon are relatively easy to turn into SO2 and CO2 via roasting. Thus the pit kiln.

cassiterite is an oxide

sphalerite is an sulfid, but roasting it provides zincoxide, and you cant smelt zincoxide, because it evaporates before smelting. (@ 1200°C)

and without cass or sphalerite, the best bronze alloy materials are out of the way

well, the biggest point of my suggestion was to delay your first bronze tools

cause iam unhappy with not using copper tools, because i normally skip copper age completly

its allready an feature afaik

ill suggested something like that a while ago XD

in addition to placeable small glass blocks with different colors.

but i still love the idea and would be happy, if it get implemented

mrs. €dit says: changes to older post:

Pre-Iron shaftoven metal cakes can be smashed with an hammer (without anvil) and some other things

iron changes, at the second part

Why my suggestions?

the first part: delaying bronze tools a bit, cuz most of the time everyone just skips copper tools. and with the metal pieces are alloys easy to combine

second part: its just for believability, the material costs should be the same. and it should be less difficult to create steel with the metal pieces.

first part:

pre iron

most ores have to be reduced, to become native metals, but that need charcoal.

my suggestion is, to take avay the feature of smelting ores from the crucible enterely!

(native ores would work, but they bring in lot impurities...)

and the pit kiln should only be able to smelt native ores!

so my suggestion is an shaft oven

a new furnance between the bloomery and the pit kiln.

the shaft oven should only need simple materials to build (no metal)

maybe any cobblestone and some clay to prevent falling cobblestone.

the shaft oven needs charcoal and can smelt/reduce all types of non iron ores.

but only 1 metal type at the same time, so the crucible would be an excellent device to mix alloys and before that the pit kiln.

the shaft oven produces an "metal cake", simmilar to the iron bloom from the bloomery

then "mine" the cake with an hammer (any hammer will do) and you gain metal pieces (each 1/10 of an ignot)

those metal pieces should stack up to 32 or even 64, with those it should be quite easy to mix your alloys.

summary:

only native ores in the pit kiln

no ore "smelting" in the crucible

shaft oven for reducing non native ores (can handle native ones aswell)

second part:

iron changes.

smelting iron is very difficult.

only the blast furnance is capable to produce liquid iron.

i suggest the forge (and crucible ofc) isnt able to smelt iron at all.

in order to gain iron ignots from the refined bloom is just continue hammering it on the anvil until its an ignot.

to gain iron pieces place the refined bloom on the anvil and split it again, to gain the 1/10 ignot pieces. (should be doable with any ignots aswell)

with those you can mix them with pieces from other metals and flux to create steel ignots. (steel production is an rather complicated thing befor the industrial revolution)

jeah, would love it =)

oh thanks alot!

hm, the wiki has no recepie for the quiver?

is it even craftable?

jeyh, i did read something about barrel changes for 79, but i wantet to throw in some of my ideas ^.~

barrels could be used to store and transport bulk materials

like ores, all types of flour, all powder types, all types of grain, and food ofc. (food could decay slower in an barrel)

now the conservation idea:

a barrel can hold... lets say 8 160oz of one food type.

but you can add something, to decrease the decay.

veggies: vinegear

meat/fish: salt

fruits: alcohol

(just examples)

then seal the barrel.

when the barrel is done, the decay starts to kick in. (stored food - 50% conservation material + -25% sealed)

it doesnt unseal itself, it stays sealed. while sealed, the stored food suffers -25% decay, until it gets open.

ofc you only can eat the stuff inside, when its unsealed.

ceramic vessel could be used the same way, in conserving food.

place 4x 160oz of the same food type in the vessel and add the spezific conservation material to it and place it in a dark spot

it could be sealed with one unit of clay, if we assume, the vessel has an cover

when you conserve food in the ceramic vessel like in the barrel, it should be less efficient with preserving food than the barrel

and which shape?

well, you can create yarn not only from hemp/ flax, you can create simple yarn from nettels.

or senew from animals.

and even in the copper age, stone was often used, cuz copper was hard to obtain

and some tools/weapons could need primitive glue (from heatet bark)

such as arrows for example

it was just after the heating process, it would be way to fast, i didnt had the same problem again, strangely.

in the past i was producing up to 4 vessels at the same time full with maximum amount of bronze and had enough time to cast everything and this time i hadnt enough to cast even 2?

when you poor liquid metal from an ceramic vessel to an mould and leave the gui in the middle of the process, you get your partially filled mould but you cant open the vessel and take out the rest.

^{oh thanks, okay i HAVE to produce some of it XD}

i found my first pieces of jute and i soon have some rope, but iam not shure, what to do with it XD

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