The Poles Distance Poll

[DarkLadyPhoenix 62]

anyways you don't need to worry cause even in vanilla MC there are already 2 biomes fit for the equatorial climate... jungle and desert so no you probably won't have to walk more than an hour to get to at least a jungle or any other livable place even when biomes get massively upscaled.

Sorry, this is enough of a worry right here.

Jungles are not livable for me and many other MC players. Trees lag us to hell for some unknown reason. I can't even get near a jungle for fear of my game turning into a slideshow. If these are my options when I log in, well looks like I'm stuck walking those 5 hours regardless.

[Chezzik 22]

Sorry, this is enough of a worry right here.

Jungles are not livable for me and many other MC players. Trees lag us to hell for some unknown reason. I can't even get near a jungle for fear of my game turning into a slideshow. If these are my options when I log in, well looks like I'm stuck walking those 5 hours regardless.

Weird, I can't imagine what would cause that! I have days where I get bad framerates, but it's usually everywhere. Jungles are no worse than any other biome.

[Fizicks 3]

I've never made it past 10,000 blocks and that took me 30 minutes IRL. There is absolutly no way I will ever make it to 50,000 blocks nor would I ever be interested in doing so. With that being said. What am I going to be missing? Will i never see a tundra biome? What exactly are the biome sebarations? Jungles and desserts at 0k, forests and plains at 10-30k and tundra at 40-50k?

[TheBlindPeople 31]

It appears this poll more than any other outlines a fundamental issue with this mod and its focus. If the mod focuses on singleplayer experiences a lot of the mechanics will be percieved as too easy for multiplayer. If the focus is on multiplayer singleplayer will become incredibly tedious and half the mechanics will be straight-up inaccessible to most players with any sort of life.

Like the timescale, this is an issue that should possibly be dealt with by letting us chose how large our worlds are. Players playing by themselves could decide they want to live in a specific biome and set their world to be relatively small, where multiplayer servers may decide they want players to walk for several hours to trade different stuff. Otherwise we are left with either one mode being shafted, or both modes sort of halfway fulfilling their purposes.

[DarkLadyPhoenix 62]

Even on a server with 15 people, I've never heard of anyone living past 6k unless it was intentional, "I'm going to be where no one can find me and steal my stuff." Not "I'm feeling too crowded. I need to move farther away from people so I can find my own ore."

Heck, the server that I'm currently on treats anyone that's farther than 2k away 'too damned far' and not worth it.

[Jed1314 420]

Even on a server with 15 people, I've never heard of anyone living past 6k unless it was intentional, "I'm going to be where no one can find me and steal my stuff." Not "I'm feeling too crowded. I need to move farther away from people so I can find my own ore."

Heck, the server that I'm currently on treats anyone that's farther than 2k away 'too damned far' and not worth it.

Thats what I want to change though. I hope that eventually, people will say, "man, I really need to go to that town 5k away, better pack some provisions etc," .. I know this is a very specialist desire and not much of the community wants it, but I do feel it is in keeping with the direction the mod seems to be taking :/

[sdbaynham 57]

Thats what I want to change though. I hope that eventually, people will say, "man, I really need to go to that town 5k away, better pack some provisions etc," .. I know this is a very specialist desire and not much of the community wants it, but I do feel it is in keeping with the direction the mod seems to be taking :/

I think the global trade is a pretty cool idea, the way you're probably imagining it. But there's so much other stuff that has to be added to make it enjoyable...

[Jed1314 420]

I think the global trade is a pretty cool idea, the way you're probably imagining it. But there's so much other stuff that has to be added to make it enjoyable...

You're right, there needs to be a lot of changes. Here are just a few of them (which I envision)

Carts to increase carry capacity to very large levels, meaning you can make efficient trade runs over long distances (the catch would be carts couldn't go up or down whole blocks so you would need to build roads)

Regional specific items, ores and other resources (e.g. whale oil in the north, fruit from the equator)

Increased difficulty in crafts (make skilled craftsmen more valuable and worth trading with)

The need for clothes (would encourage farmers to farm sheep, would be easier in northern areas etc.)

That is just a small part of my vision for trading. I would make a suggestion (maybe I should ?) but I'm not sure if it merits Dunk/Bioxx's attention as it involves a lot of changes :/

[psychotimo 5]

Based on what are you saying this? You keep saying most people- to the best of my knowledge, most people play SMP, and not as server owners. Bioxx said he's designing the game specifically FOR SMP at this point. Most people CAN'T seek out specific seeds or reroll until they get a good one. The problem I'm having is that the suggestions forum is absolutely populated disproportionately with people who play SSP and do exactly as you describe. But if you're rolling until you find a good ore distribution, for instance, how could you possibly have a helpful opinion on whether the ore distribution is fine or not? We had a ton of these SSP heroes back in build 46 telling us everything in the ore gen was great and they haven't had any problems, and we should learn to use the propick, even though now everyone accepts that oregen was fucked in build 46. It throws off the way public opinion is perceived, when people give positive feedback on systems that they're trying they're damndest to avoid encountering! If you're going to reroll until you get a good biome, then why offer your opinion on the biome layout system? You're going to play the same game no matter how it's designed!

I don't dislike you for playing the game your way, I have a problem with you trying to affect the way a system that will not affect you, but will affect me, is designed. If a server I play on decides that setting up spawn in a place I don't want to be, and it's a 6 hour walk to the next temperate zone, that affects me. If your SSP game plops you down somewhere you don't want to be, you reroll. So whether or not the 6 hour walk is good design is a discussion I'm willing to have... with someone who it will actually affect. It's easy to think the 6 hour walk is cool when you're never going to have to decide whether to make it, or play the ball where it lies.

Cool, but how do I eat on the walk over there? What do I eat when I arrive? Neither biome has loose rocks, so how do I make tools? Without tools, how do I have shelter at night, or weapons? This is a fixable problem, thus why I was wheedling dunk about lush river deltas in the desert. For that to happen, though, someone has to realize that there is a problem. You're saying that since your playstyle doesn't have a problem with it, there must not be one, so my "aggression" is due to the fact that it seems like you're asking that your playstyle receive the most developer attention, and the fact that your particular schtick- I play SSP, it's not hard when I use SSP's features to ignore challenges, therefore this feature is fine, or even too easy- is quite common on these forums and poisons every community discussion about the game and how it should proceed.

well at least you don't sound so aggressive in this post well... in some... a few... a tiny bit of the post you sound less aggressive that is.

anyway: firstly, on the aggressive part once again... I'M..NOT...ONE OF THE PEEPS THAT REROLL ALL THE TIME... i already told you twice that i try to make do, if i'm bored with the world... well it's still a game, i'm allowed to reroll so i reroll. and since i do in fact just start a game and then look around for the most suitable place to live instead of just rerolling i'm pretty sure i fall out of the group you just mentioned... so based on what? on the false statement that i reroll my world untill i see damn unicorns and dragons flying all over the place?

and i actually wait till i either spent 5 hours trying to get enough metal for a metal tool, or till i actually make my first metal tool and try to probe the area first to check for ores before i reroll (i mean if an area sucks but is full of ores,what nutjob would leave, just build your mine and house 5 mins apart and look for a better spot to live)

i started playing TFC a bit before build 46 came out, i hardly know what working with a flint tool was like. i played build 46 and if i recall correctly its the one with the deep/huge ore veins right? well tbh i knew crap about the propick then and the wiki wasn't updated so i just mined like a madman, stuck in the stone age working with my stone pick.(took me a while to randomly stumble upon the plans for tools and decided to try those in knapping) once the wiki was a bit more updated i started learning how to use a propick, and although i'm still not that good with it, i still managed to find some massive veins (mind you, this was on the very first TFC world i ever started... just sayan... your arguments against me are shit since i fall out of your intended group in which you always try to put me^^ )

ok, next: if the server chooses to set up spawn in a place that you don't like, well that's your problem, but in the end, someone did in fact choose the spawn... just as i said before. also, you forget the cardinal part about SMP... namely... MULTIPLAYER, you are NOT (i repeat... NOT) alone, meaning other peeps can help you and throw a few rocks and stick your way, hey, they might even give you some food, wouldn't that be nice... so.. problem solved.

and honestly, what bastard would set up a spawn in the middle of some desert with at least a 3-6 hour walk to each side before you get to inhabitable spots....

then.. probably most important part of this post... GET YOUR DAMN HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS...(sorry jsut had to say it, your false assumptions are really bugging me) i never said it needed to be changed or was okay the way it was, i just said that jungles are an equatorial area too, meaning... wood: not a problem..sticks:you serious? there's leaves all over the place.stones:well been a while since i saw a jungle, the world i started doesn't have a jungle near my current house nor near my previous ones,so can't remember if there are rocks or not (why yes that would be the very first build 48E world i started, no i didn't reroll...) .. but well, if not, the devs will probably notice that the equatorial area is uninhabitable due to the lack of rocks and either mix in other biomes... or bioxx just gathers some pebbles and throws them in the jungle... problem (once again) solved. i was merely pointing out that you had some major holes in your post.

and again (return to the head+ass part) i never said that it wasn't my problem, i was merely saying(in a friendly way, something you apparantly can not do) that jungles are also equatorial and can be changed a bit to be a better place to live and thus significantly downsizing your walk to inhabitable terrain.

i'm never asking for the devs attention, i'm merely commenting on what others say, if you check all of my posts, i'm never bugging a dev about a suggestion i make, if they say it's not going to happen i just accept it, if they don't care about my posts, then sucks to be me but can't do anything about it. (except some stuff that'd get me banned from the forums )

you're really overreacting mate, i wonder wether you even thought about anything i said or you're just plain stupid or you're just failing at being a troll.

how hard is it to calm down and respond in an orderly way: "well a jungle would still leave me rockless and i kinda need those to survive" cause that's actually the only real point you made in that whole post of yours... sorry

Sorry, this is enough of a worry right here.

Jungles are not livable for me and many other MC players. Trees lag us to hell for some unknown reason. I can't even get near a jungle for fear of my game turning into a slideshow. If these are my options when I log in, well looks like I'm stuck walking those 5 hours regardless.

well tbh i don't want to be rude but only thing i can think of is... burn that wooden PC and get a decent one :3

but seriously can't you just switch some options for it? i mean i'm usually on 'far' and have all things turned on but i've never had any problems with jungles before.. like...actually... never and my pc isn't really that good... i mean it's a decent thing but it's not the beast i want/expect it to be ^^

only time that i really lag is when i play millenaire...cause i always go for the village wand and place 3+ villages very close together xP but i think that's just asking for it ^^

anyways, bioxx and dunk can't just go "O a few peeps pc's lag, let's remove this feature" when most of the players don't have problems with it, i mean i haven't heard of anyone that has problems with the jungle before, you're the first one to tell me that people actually have problems with it. so i might be wrong but i suppose most peeps can travel through jungles just fine. it sucks that you can't but i'm sure that there's something that you can do to at least make it significantly better (other than buying a new pc) that is inless you have like 512MB RAM and a 64MB visual card, then you're jsut screwed and do in fact have a prehistorical pc :3 (sell it as a fossil, might make millions off of it ^^ )

P.S. to all others, sorry for the meaningless disputes with sdbaynham, but it's pretty annoying when people misunderstand you, don't take the time to even think about what you say and act obnoxiously aggressive towards you. and since i know that most of my arguments are solid .. and i just like 'debating' (although i'd rather do it in a more friendly manner... oh well) this might go on until one of the devs tell us what their current plans are for the equatorial areas (hint hint.. --> TELL MEEEE)

[dunkleosteus 2,425]

I'm getting the feeling that a lot of you are assuming spawn locations in the "z" axis will still be centred around "0". It won't be. You might spawn at z = 10000.

On another note, a savanna like biome could be introduced to compliment the desert and jungle ones, a long with swamps. New biomes might also be added to accomodate new vegetation, such as bamboo.

[GismoT 50]

but to actually acomodate these maps to a usefull extend, the servers have to be streamlined, these huge things only make sense if there are severall settlements-dont know lets say 15 each-/lets say 3 towns ->45/ but if the hearthstone thingy is introduced, we need even more player

wich decent gaming pc can take such treatment, the other way the pay to play systems, wich servers are cheap enough, and dont exceed 5€ per month ?

[psychotimo 5]

I'm getting the feeling that a lot of you are assuming spawn locations in the "z" axis will still be centred around "0". It won't be. You might spawn at z = 10000.

On another note, a savanna like biome could be introduced to compliment the desert and jungle ones, a long with swamps. New biomes might also be added to accomodate new vegetation, such as bamboo.

woot, i'd like myself a bamboo hut...

oh and is it just me or are we actually kinda going towards a stereotype here... living in bamboo huts and walking around with javelins as weapon... nah drop the stereotype part, let's just wait for the bamboo and start a tribes-server :3

but to actually acomodate these maps to a usefull extend, the servers have to be streamlined, these huge things only make sense if there are severall settlements-dont know lets say 15 each-/lets say 3 towns ->45/ but if the hearthstone thingy is introduced, we need even more player

wich decent gaming pc can take such treatment, the other way the pay to play systems, wich servers are cheap enough, and dont exceed 5€ per month ?

you can just start advertising TFC like a madman, lure even more players and hope they'll all join your server... that way you could start the biggest TFC server yet ^^

[GismoT 50]

tell me where i get the money

i am poor and i will be in service for 6 months so NO

[psychotimo 5]

tell me where i get the money

i am poor and i will be in service for 6 months so NO

too bad, guess i'll have to do it myself then... when i find the time... and the energy... well get back to me on that one in a few months... or maybe years...

university live doesn't leave much time for other stuff you know... partying 24/7 etc ^^ (not really 24/7 but well... more than enough)

[GismoT 50]

if the the site is hosted on their own server, maybe they could add a p2p tfc server aswell, since their price would be much more honest then others

[DarkLadyPhoenix 62]

well tbh i don't want to be rude but only thing i can think of is... burn that wooden PC and get a decent one :3

but seriously can't you just switch some options for it?

Your car makes a funny noise when you go 90 miles an hour and only on one road you don't go on often? Oh, just go buy a new car. No, really just go buy a new car. It's totally an easy thing to do.

I'm on fios and have absolutely 0 problems with any other game with the max settings on everything, not even vanilla minecraft, so it's not my computer nor the internet I'm using. Go fish with your 'wooden PC" cop out answer.

[psychotimo 5]

Your car makes a funny noise when you go 90 miles an hour and only on one road you don't go on often? Oh, just go buy a new car. No, really just go buy a new car. It's totally an easy thing to do.

I'm on fios and have absolutely 0 problems with any other game with the max settings on everything, not even vanilla minecraft, so it's not my computer nor the internet I'm using. Go fish with your 'wooden PC" cop out answer.

ah c'mon.. so i write about 2 paragraphs on this and start off with a joke...

and for some reason it seemed like you had the attention span of a fish only read the first 2 lines and decided to deliberately misunderstand me... (stop smoking weed before coming to the forums xP)

well, since you probably just didn't bother to read the 2 paragraphs i'll try to keep this short...

i'll quote myself here:

you're the first one to tell me that people actually have problems with it. so i might be wrong but i suppose most peeps can travel through jungles just fine. it sucks that you can't but i'm sure that there's something that you can do to at least make it significantly better (other than buying a new pc) that is unless you have like 512MB RAM and a 64MB visual card, then you're just screwed and do in fact have a prehistorical pc :3 (sell it as a fossil, might make millions off of it ^^ )

nuff said i presume...

so exactly why are you responding this agressive? i wasn't aggressive towards you in any way (and i actually reread the end of my post a few times just to be sure...)

anyways. did you ever wonder that i can't magically know how strong/weak your pc is? did you ever bother to think that i was in fact NOT psychic and i can't passibly know that your pc can run state of the art games with no probs but still lags in a jungle? have you ever wondered if you have a psychological problem, since you can't understand humor? (wether or not peeps think that the wooden PC is good or bad humor i'll leave up to them)

P.S. to all other peeps out there, can someone please explain me what i do wrong? both in my first post to sdbaynham and in my first one to darkladyphoenix i wasn't aggressive in any way (i did make a joke in the one towards darkladyphoenix though but it's pretty obvious that it was a joke IMO...) but both of them still decide to have a ragefest on me... does my username make peeps go total psycho? or did i just have the bad luck off talking to 2 peeps that are currently in a frustrating situation at home or something...

[JSparrow 2]

To everyone who voted 50,000 or > than.. seriously? This game can be quite tedious as is without good luck during world generation. I'm happy for you all, that have enough time to walk for hours, but some of us do not.

I don't think the world size and polar distance should be fixed. I think it should be up to the player during world generation.

[DarkLadyPhoenix 62]

I don't know how far you've been around the internet, but a good deal percentage of the time when someone states they have a problem because of such-and-such, there is ALWAYS some douche that says "Buy a new one" as if it's the most helpful advice ever and the OP had never thought of that in their lifetime -and- has several thousand grand to just go plunk down on a new one.

You may have been sarcastic, I have no idea. This is text. I don't have infliction or tone of voice to understand that's indeed what you are doing. Just know that this is very common practice on internet forums.

It's also quite frustrating to be on several different servers, have people talk about the same issue (like lagging in certain places), ESPECIALLY around TFC trees but then never get on the forums to share it so I get to look like I'm just batshit crazy and don't know what I'm talking about. Oh, here:

[GCountach 39]

Off-topic, and you probably already came to this conclusion, but I imagine your problem DLP has to do with the leaves. Jungle seems to have a lot more leaves than other areas since the ground layer is covered in them. In vanilla minecraft, setting your graphics to "fast" would prevent them from having transparency, which is big framerate issue for computers. I don't think this prevents the transparency in TFCraft, however.

[sdbaynham 57]

For me, they visually show without transparency when I use optifine. Idunno if fast is actually removing them from the transparency pass/depth sorting, though.

EDIT: Actually, leaves aren't semi-transparent, so maybe they don't need to be depth sorted.

[psychotimo 5]

Off-topic, and you probably already came to this conclusion, but I imagine your problem DLP has to do with the leaves. Jungle seems to have a lot more leaves than other areas since the ground layer is covered in them. In vanilla minecraft, setting your graphics to "fast" would prevent them from having transparency, which is big framerate issue for computers. I don't think this prevents the transparency in TFCraft, however.

well problem is, you can't compare tfc leaves to vanilla leaves, tfc leaves are also pass through instead of just see through, so the leaves might just be the problem.

I don't know how far you've been around the internet, but a good deal percentage of the time when someone states they have a problem because of such-and-such, there is ALWAYS some douche that says "Buy a new one" as if it's the most helpful advice ever and the OP had never thought of that in their lifetime -and- has several thousand grand to just go plunk down on a new one.

You may have been sarcastic, I have no idea. This is text. I don't have infliction or tone of voice to understand that's indeed what you are doing. Just know that this is very common practice on internet forums.

It's also quite frustrating to be on several different servers, have people talk about the same issue (like lagging in certain places), ESPECIALLY around TFC trees but then never get on the forums to share it so I get to look like I'm just batshit crazy and don't know what I'm talking about. Oh, here:

"well tbh i don't want to be rude" and "but seriously", i did in fact try to make it obvious that i wasn't one of those douches that says: "buy a new one" as if it's the only solution. Anyway, glad you found the time to calm down ^^

so as far as i get it, a good amount of peeps have problems when around jungles or sometimes even just tfc trees? well since tfc trees have trunk differences i presume the trunks are a bit harder on your system compared to vanilla log blocks and same for the leaves, they're walk-through so as 'GCountach' already said, this might just be the problem since the jungle is like 90% trees and leaves with almost no clear soil.

You could try to get the other peeps to come to the forum to report the 'issue' so maybe bioxx and dunk can find the time to fix it, i presume inputting an option to make leaves act like vanilla leaves could already help a lot, but well i really don't know, never had problems with trees so can't really say.

as for the pole distances, i kinda agree with 'JSparrow' if there was an easy way to implement it, a toggleable 'equator to icewaste' distance could prove to be quite useful, peeps could use the smallest setting for ssp or if you like massive worlds you can use higher settings (but i presume a smaller world would be the most useful for ssp ) but more importantly, for servers: a smaller server could use a smaller setting, while a bigger server could use a higher setting, that way you keep the amount of players in comparison to the world. so on a smaller server you won't have to walk 8 hours to get a banana for your smoothie, but on bigger servers there would be enough traffic so the distance wouldn't matter (someone would take bananas with him and would come to trade them with your ... snowberries? )

anyways, since horses will be implemented i'm sure they will cut down on travel time anyway, who know we might even get a coal-powered train or something ^^

but again, i don't know if it's easy to do, since you need to redo the whole world gen anyway :S

[GismoT 50]

I don't know how far you've been around the internet, but a good deal percentage of the time when someone states they have a problem because of such-and-such, there is ALWAYS some douche that says "Buy a new one" as if it's the most helpful advice ever and the OP had never thought of that in their lifetime -and- has several thousand grand to just go plunk down on a new one.

You may have been sarcastic, I have no idea. This is text. I don't have infliction or tone of voice to understand that's indeed what you are doing. Just know that this is very common practice on internet forums.

It's also quite frustrating to be on several different servers, have people talk about the same issue (like lagging in certain places), ESPECIALLY around TFC trees but then never get on the forums to share it so I get to look like I'm just batshit crazy and don't know what I'm talking about. Oh, here:

how much do you fuckin pay for this service?

[sdbaynham 57]

how much do you fuckin pay for this service?

FIOS is like $60-$100/month and the better plans include cable. It's just not available in a lot of places in the US.

:-P Obviously a lot of folks outside the US get just as good for much less money, but inside the US it's a pretty good deal if you don't get the cable package.

EDIT: Although I guess there's a difference between the $60/month plan (what I have) and the others:

[GismoT 50]

now you need some servers that you could actually take advantage of that high fee