Redstone

[bsb23 303]

Quick Summary: Make redstone have a durability bar that slowly runs out while active.

Idea: Thought about Lumi's idea of redstone being piezoelectric and a new mod named MineChem and realized being able to explain redstone a little more would be great especially if the explanation was so complicated that nobody cared. So I found a compound (molybdenum iron pyroxene) that had silicate similar to the piezoelectric quartz, iron that made it red, and molybdenum to be used to further complicate things. This compound would be redstone in its dead state (all used up). For a "live redstone" you would replace molybdenum with technetium a radioactive element that detiriorates into molybdenum. This compound would now be called another impossible thing "piezoradioactive" so if force is applied energy is produced.

I want to keep redstone in the game just for kicks and this would effectively nerf it. I would suggest it lasting three point four days. It should still be eventually replaced but now we can keep this system but make it so a more believable system is far more powerful and complicated.

[Srgnoodles 1,030]

I would suggest it lasting three point four days

well i think it should last three point one four days

[Scooterdanny 285]

Honestly, i really want my idea of steam replacing redstone to happen, as it makes a lot more sense. (sidenote, if redstone were piezoelectric, then it could recharge it's energy stores, or be used in things like a door/pressure plate where kinetics are converted to electricity)

[Srgnoodles 1,030]

Honestly, i really want my idea of steam replacing redstone to happen, as it makes a lot more sense. (sidenote, if redstone were piezoelectric, then it could recharge it's energy stores, or be used in things like a door/pressure plate where kinetics are converted to electricity)

eh less steam and more kinetic energy as in gears and axles and stuff like that

cuz isnt steam power a little beyond our time period

but if it isnt, all my steampunky dreams will come true!!!

[Scooterdanny 285]

Steam power was well within the time period, the Romans had steam pumps for mines, and it was theorized and played with alot even by the greeks, i see no reason why it shouldn't be in the mod, and i say steam because it doesn't require an inordinate amount of metal to create finely, and can/does transport a ton of kinetic energy, it is involved in about 80 percent of our power production, as it carries kinetic energy very well as PSI, as well as rising due to it's heat.

[Azdoine 218]

Redstone emulates an electricity system beyond our time period. I'd at least like to see a reskin to steam pipes, or some such, and require actual steam power to carry a signal. Of course, more complicated systems are well within the scope of the mod, and would probably be welcome  

[Scooterdanny 285]

Let me just link you guys http://terrafirmacraft.com/f/topic/1028-winches-pules-and-cams-water-wheels-and-pumps-move-your-ores/page__st__40

that page has the info you want as well as my original suggestion for steam power.

[bsb23 303]

Okay couples things here, I still want a redstone replacement but I want it to work with redstone so think of it as just two tiers the first is unstable, unreliable and not very complex whereas the next tier (the replacement steam, gears, whatever) is the opposite but is also very complex and hard to obtain.

(sidenote, if redstone were piezoelectric, then it could recharge it's energy stores, or be used in things like a door/pressure plate where kinetics are converted to electricity)

I'm extremely aware of that as well as the fact that most piezoelectric materials like quartz are semi-conductive and would serve as very unbelievable wires especially in a dust form. that's why I said it would have to be piezoradioactive so if any force acts upon it, it will release energy in the form of radiation, which isn't renewable and since everything starts moving as soon as one piece does it will "send a signal" not receiving force? than it stops radiating albeit probably slowly but it would stop.

Edit:3.4 is the half life of one of the more stable isotopes of technetium. So I suppose that could be used maybe we could have an exponential durability bar?

[Srgnoodles 1,030]

Steam power was well within the time period

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[EternalUndeath 1,208]

Excellent research dude

What's the halflife of the technetium isotope? What concentration of technetium is required to maintain piezoelectricity? If we can answer those we can determine just how long it should realistically last

[Srgnoodles 1,030]

Excellent research dude

What's the halflife of the technetium isotope? What concentration of technetium is required to maintain piezoelectricity? If we can answer those we can determine just how long it should realistically last

n-n-no pi?

-sad face-

[EternalUndeath 1,208]

n-n-no pi?

-sad face-

Why on earth would the decrease in technetium isotope over time be tied to the ratio of a circle's circumference to it's diameter

[Srgnoodles 1,030]

Why on earth would the decrease in technetium isotope over time be tied to the ratio of a circle's circumference to it's diameter

why not? everyone likes pi!

[bsb23 303]

Realised the half life was 4.3 not 3.4 there are however far more stable isotopes however these are all very stable for example TE97 has a half-life of 2.6 billion years we should probably just for ease of argument say that this particular Technetium is TE96. Also you have to remember these things still are impossible so therefore I can't measure how much would be needed in fact even if this compound was possible it wouldn't be piezoelectric and it certainly wouldn't be piezoradioactive this is just a way of believable lying in such a manner that nobody will ask questions. silica in the form of quartz is piezoelectric and silica is in pyroxenes therefore it wouldn't be piezoelectric but it would be close.

[Scooterdanny 285]

Excellent data bsb, i like the idea you have, it would certainly add depth to mechanics one can make in TFC. as well as a second look shows the effort put into this post +1

[Rgamer 44]

Realised the half life was 4.3 not 3.4 there are however far more stable isotopes however these are all very stable for example TE97 has a half-life of 2.6 billion years we should probably just for ease of argument say that this particular Technetium is TE96. Also you have to remember these things still are impossible so therefore I can't measure how much would be needed in fact even if this compound was possible it wouldn't be piezoelectric and it certainly wouldn't be piezoradioactive this is just a way of believable lying in such a manner that nobody will ask questions. silica in the form of quartz is piezoelectric and silica is in pyroxenes therefore it wouldn't be piezoelectric but it would be close.

Yeah, all the others besides TE96 and TE97 have half-lives of between 20 hours and .3 seconds, which is really not useful. (Chart of the nucleides above my bed FTW)

[bsb23 303]

After more research I found something rather interesting the specific pyroxene is named pyrosmalite and it has two types ferropyrosmalite and manganpyrosmalite. Manganpyrosmalite is actually red and found mostly in Australia...

However ferropyrosmalite is a more copper to tan color but in all irony is found only in one place....Sweden.

I don't believe in coincidences.

[Jed1314 420]

I don't believe in coincidences.

I don't understand how this is a coincidence or notable. (Not a criticism, I just don't understand, please explain )

[Scooterdanny 285]

Redstone is similar to a mineral only found in sweden, mojang is from sweden, ergo coincidence.

[Just_Another_Guy_:) 1,066]

-Notch trying to find a way to get electric stuff in the game and makign it look magical-

-Looks at the ferropyrosmalite he has on his desk-

-Doesn't like the color, start to investigate-

-Finds out about manganpyrosmalite-

And Ta-da! redstone was added.

[LordOfWolves 514]

-Notch trying to find a way to get electric stuff in the game and makign it look magical-

-Looks at the ferropyrosmalite he has on his desk-

-Doesn't like the color, start to investigate-

-Finds out about manganpyrosmalite-

And Ta-da! redstone was added.

To have good ideas you need to see the desk of notch then.

[Draco18s 46]

why not? everyone likes pi!

I'm a tau man, myself. Pi is Still Wrong.

In any case, as to the suggestion:

Having redstone last 4.3 days (3.4 days, whatever) makes neigh on all redstone contraptions completely useless. I don't mean the massive computers people build, I mean simple things like double doors activated by a pressure plate. Which still require a redstone torch (or three) to work properly. Having to dig up my floor every 86 minutes of real time just to use my front door is not useful.

[bsb23 303]

You are exactly right sir and this is the point now when we put in a new signalling system we won't have to remove redstone and rather just make it a zero tier instead

[Draco18s 46]

I'm fine with the OP's suggestion on how to make redstone, but making it burn out every 86 minutes is overkill.

(That, or some other kind of mechanism device to do redstone-like-things as a replacement. Just FYI: even clockwork machines in the real world can be made Turing Complete, the disadvantage of clockwork machines is that they are very delicate and prone to breaking down, so if the goal is to prevent Turing Completeness with whatever will "replace" redstone, just be advised that it isn't possible while still also allowing basic functionality; e.g. "that door opens when the lever is up, and that second door closes" as that requires a NOT gate, and using only NOT gates and OR gates, one can extrapolate all other gates, as has been demonstrated by vanilla redstone)

[bsb23 303]

Hopefully i misunderstood but it kind of sounds like you said what i said. A mechanism capable of the same things as redstone means exactly the same thing as another tier of signalling