Iron and steel nails

[Gorni 73]

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...GAHHHH!!! What is WRONG with you people?!

NOT ALL CARBOHYDRATES ARE SUGARS

All SACCHARIDES are sugars, like cellulose, but CARBOHYDRATES are any molecule containing carbon chains with hydrogen tacked on! So according to you, long-chain carbohydrates like crude oil or the nonpolar ends of triglycerides can just be drunk a teaspoon at a time to make the fucking medicine go down, eh?

By the gods

Sugars require a LOOP structure in the carbon chain! Glucose is a hexagon!

Be more specific!!!

Not to rain on your parade but all carbohydrates are sugars, saccharide is just a synonym for carbohydrates. What you mean are hydrocarbons, those are the "crude oil"-guys you mean.

[achartran 465]

Not to rain on your parade but all carbohydrates are sugars, saccharide is just a synonym for carbohydrates. What you mean are hydrocarbons, those are the "crude oil"-guys you mean.

I... I don't know who to believe, I'm so conflicted!

Give-a-fuck-ness meter: zero.

Because the chemical compositions of sugars and carbohydrates have everything to do with metal nails, right?

I wanted a FUN derail, like ponies or lisztomania, not... Science class

You should know this forum has an unusual amount of sciency people, I myself am just a wee babe, learning to walk. But yeah, science is going to happen here every once in a while, plus, I would assume the Doctor would be interested in science, and recreational mathematics in the face of burning up in a sentient sun.

[Gorni 73]

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Hydrocarbon

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Carbohydrate

i know wiki is not the ultimate source of information but on this problem, its exact enough.

(one point i want to make clear, i counted starch and similars as "sugar" since its like a chained up version of sugar... but thats a little difference compared to hydrocarbons.)

[achartran 465]

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Hydrocarbon

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Carbohydrate

i know wiki is not the ultimate source of information but on this problem, its exact enough.

(one point i want to make clear, i counted starch and similars as "sugar" since its like a chained up version of sugar... but thats a little difference compared to hydrocarbons.)

So, extremely simplified, Hydrocarbons don't have oxygen, and Carbohydrates do?

[Gorni 73]

very simplified yes. But i could go into much more detail about functional groups etc.... but i'll let that be.

oh and about "sugars need loops" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Glucose_Fisher_to_Haworth.gif

For example, Glucose can exist in both forms. stright and looped up.

[Just_Another_Guy_:) 1,066]

._: it... doesn't seems to make sense...

Hydro/Hydrates refers to hydrogen, while Carbo/carbon refers to carbon. Semantically, they would mean the same ._. but instead, they mean different things?

EDIT: Scientist form the forum, please don't kill me for this... :

[Gorni 73]

Hydro means Hydrogen, the element. While Hydrate means water. This is because of this: Carbohydrates have (with a few exception) a formula that is the multiple of C(H2O) (If you don't know: H2O = water) For example, most sugars are C6 H12 O6. While Hydrocarbons are a composition of C and H without the Oxygen and do not really have a specific number of Hs per C. There are saturated ones that always have: Cn + H *2n + 2H, while there are others not saturated (they have double-bonds or cycles) with less H. And so on... if you want more details, just ask.

[Kimbblesrath 503]

I'm just sitting here, learning. YAY!! Science!

Don't mind me, keep enlightening me. Continue.

[achartran 465]

Hydro means Hydrogen, the element. While Hydrate means water. This is because of this: Carbohydrates have (with a few exception) a formula that is the multiple of C(H2O) (If you don't know: H2O = water) For example, most sugars are C6 H12 O6. While Hydrocarbons are a composition of C and H without the Oxygen and do not really have a specific number of Hs per C. There are saturated ones that always have: Cn + H *2n + 2H, while there are others not saturated (they have double-bonds or cycles) with less H. And so on... if you want more details, just ask.

For example, the tail ends of lipids (fats) are hydrocarbons, they can be an LDL and be unsaturated (isn't at hydrogen capacity) and have kinks or bends in the chain, an HDL and be saturated and be full of hydrogen, causing the chain to be straight. And then there's trans fats, artificially saturated fats that don't quite get those kinks out.

HDLs are generally considered the "good" kind of fat, since they don't sink in your arteries and clot them. LDLs and trans fats are the ones that cause blood clots and heart disease, because of the kinks in the chain they create more drag and sink more easily in your blood.

(if anything is wrong here don't hesitate to yell at me )

[Gorni 73]

Don't look at me with that bio stuff. Im the chemistry guy.... not much understanding in deeper biological processes. Just good with the molecules itself...

[puxapuak 232]

Look, I think the only thing we have *really* established in all this is that... ... ...sugar-noodles.

[EternalUndeath 1,208]

Gah, this swiftly got too long for me to decide which post to reply too

I misread the word as 'hydrocarbon', and then just re-typed the word I saw in my reply, thinking I was typing hydrocarbon

Well, I was at least correct about what I thought I was saying

For example, the tail ends of lipids (fats) are hydrocarbons, they can be an LDL and be unsaturated (isn't at hydrogen capacity) and have kinks or bends in the chain, an HDL and be saturated and be full of hydrogen, causing the chain to be straight. And then there's trans fats, artificially saturated fats that don't quite get those kinks out.

HDLs are generally considered the "good" kind of fat, since they don't sink in your arteries and clot them. LDLs and trans fats are the ones that cause blood clots and heart disease, because of the kinks in the chain they create more drag and sink more easily in your blood.

(if anything is wrong here don't hesitate to yell at me )

Actually HDLs and LDLs are very complex spherical molecules, whose behavior in the blood stream has little to do with the types of fatty acids incorporated.

The reason that saturated and trans-fats are bad for you is that, when they get incorporated into the phospholipid bilayer of your cell membranes, they create stiff rigid sections that are easily broken, which kills the cell.

You see, saturated fats are, as you said, essentially straight lines. So when they cool to body temperature, they easily form together into one solid mass by laying right next to each other. That's why animal fat (mostly saturated) is solid at room temperature. When stuck into the fluid mosaic model of your cell, they kinda remove the 'fluid' part of that, and the cell's overall flexibility is reduced

Unsaturated fatty acids come in 2 configurations, however, based on the positioning of the double-bond. Trans-unsaturated chains have the bond set across the molecule, and therefore retain the line configuration of unsaturated fats. In addition to this, it makes them easy prey for ester hydrolysis, or 'rancidification'. Basically they 'go bad' quicker.

The other configuration the fat can take is Cis-unsaturated, which places the double bond to one side and forces the molecule to kink on one direction. This makes it MUCH harder for the molecules to line up neatly, and keeps them rather loosely scattered. Most plant fats (we call them 'oils') are cis-unsaturated, and that's the reason that your canola (or 'rapeseed') oil is liquid at room temperature even though your butter isn't. These fats, when incorporated into your cell membrane, keep things flowing smooth and flexibly, and are excellent for cellular health.

So eat more veggies kids, or your cells will rupture and die horribly

[Srgnoodles 1,030]

Look, I think the only thing we have *really* established in all this is that... ... ...sugar-noodles.

one of these days, one of these days....

you're going to wake up with several dozen spoons in your back sir

[EternalUndeath 1,208]

Bah, double post...

[Revenge519 6]

So uhhh wasnt this about nails?

[Kimbblesrath 503]

So uhhh wasnt this about nails?

Derailment my friend. Derailment is the official sport of this forum. It is a thing to jest about between the senior members of the forum. The claim that there is not one thread on this forum that has not been derailed.

[Srgnoodles 1,030]

The claim that there is not one thread on this forum that has not been derailed.

edit: i mean of course, to have a thread that doesnt get derailed

[Kimbblesrath 503]

It's on! *epic music starts playing*

[Just_Another_Guy_:) 1,066]

-snip-

Hey! -removes his like- I thought you wanted to make every single thread in this forums derail :<

(BTW, nice avatar :3)

[Srgnoodles 1,030]

Hey! -removes his like- I thought you wanted to make every single thread in this forums derail :<

(BTW, nice avatar :3)

lols betchya dont know what its from tho

but despite how much fun that'd be, i wanna get at least one thread we dont completely hurl off the rails nto a nearby town

[Just_Another_Guy_:) 1,066]

lols betchya dont know what its from tho

but despite how much fun that'd be, i wanna get at least one thread we dont completely hurl off the rails nto a nearby town

Yeah... let's give it a shot for once :

*Goes through the rail taking the pennies he finds in the road*

EDIT: oh, yeah, and... nope, no idea where that comes from ._.

[achartran 465]

Yeah... let's give it a shot for once :

*Goes through the rail taking the pennies he finds in the road*

EDIT: oh, yeah, and... nope, no idea where that comes from ._.

HEY! I worked hard placing all those pennies?! Curse you JAG!! *Shakes fist*

But in all seriousness I found two recent threads we didn't derail, you can view them via these links,

http://terrafirmacra...ow-you-make-it/

http://terrafirmacra...and-infections/

Derailment my friend. Derailment is the official sport of this forum. It is a thing to jest about between the senior members of the forum. The claim that there is not one thread on this forum that has not been derailed.

Can I see a quote on that Kimbble? I haven't seen anyone say that we want to derail every single thread, it just kind sorta happens :/

[Azdoine 218]

So uhhh wasnt this about nails?

Welcome to the TFC forums... where no topic is safe!

[redundantusage 330]

You'd effectively have to start a thread, post a few times and then get it locked before it derails since time is your true enemy there. You're gonna need a minimum post goal though, otherwise you could say any post locked after the first entry is a success, and we all know that's just a lie.

[Kimbblesrath 503]

Can I see a quote on that Kimbble? I haven't seen anyone say that we want to derail every single thread, it just kind sorta happens :/

I saw it somewhere, I'll look for it later.