Unshaped ingot

[Vlad 73]

When thinking about it I don't understand why after melting the metal into a mold, and waiting for it to cool, you have to make and ingot out of it. Isn't the the ingot just sitting there? It's inside a mold and it's solid.. what shape is it other then ingot? I mean shouldn't your unshaped ingot turn into ingot once it cools down.

I think that you should just get the ingot out of the mold once it looses it's liquid form. Doesn't it makes more sense?

[Leosallespoli 338]

How would you do that?

[zoran 31]

I believe it has to do with the fact that when you cast an ingot it leaves an uneven crystal structure within the metal, such as in this picture. I would imagine you have to shape it to make the structure even. But hey, I could be wrong.

[Leosallespoli 338]

I think it has much more to do with getting the ingot out of the mold, thats why you hit, hit, hit.

[Just_Another_Guy_:) 1,066]

The guys who know about metal working are about to make a shit storm here... :

[zoran 31]

I think it has much more to do with getting the ingot out of the mold, thats why you hit, hit, hit.

That's true, with sand casting you have to destroy the mould to get anything out, though I would imagine it wouldn't be too difficult to get a rectangular or even a slightly trapezoidal prism out of it's mould. Not sure though, don't quote me.

[Vlad 73]

I think it has much more to do with getting the ingot out of the mold, thats why you hit, hit, hit.

make sense, but what still bothers me is that once I have the unshaped ingot (lots of them), I have to heat it first to get the ingot out..

so maybe there shouldn't be temperature limit for working on unshaped ingots (except the solid form).

unless there is an explanation for it too

[Vovk 5]

according to wikipedia:

"Crack or void formation occurs as the liquid to solid transition has an associated volume change for a constant mass of material. Formation of these ingot defects may render the cast ingot useless, and may need to be re-melted, recycled or discarded."

I would not be surprised if the primitive casting method we use in TFC produces several cracks and imperfections as the ingot cools in the mold. Working such a flawed ingot by heating it and hammering it may solidify it into a solid homogeneous form.

[Leosallespoli 338]

according to wikipedia:

"Crack or void formation occurs as the liquid to solid transition has an associated volume change for a constant mass of material. Formation of these ingot defects may render the cast ingot useless, and may need to be re-melted, recycled or discarded."

I would not be surprised if the primitive casting method we use in TFC produces several cracks and imperfections as the ingot cools in the mold. Working such a flawed ingot by heating it and hammering it may solidify it into a solid homogeneous form.

Welcome to the forums! You did some researching before posting and had a solid argument, you will be a great addition here

[dunkleosteus 2,425]

Welcome to the forums! You did some researching before posting and had a solid argument, you will be a great addition here

he and I had a massive argument in IRC the other day. I'd like to see more stuff from him before I would say he'll be helpful.

[Vovk 5]

Only time will tell :c

[Leosallespoli 338]

Only time will tell :c

I am almost certain I know your avatar pic from some game, now which was?

I never been to the IRC...

[Vovk 5]

I am almost certain I know your avatar pic from some game, now which was?

I never been to the IRC...

Academician Prokhor Zakharov from Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri.

[Leosallespoli 338]

Academician Prokhor Zakharov from Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri.

Alpha Centauri! A good game there, although I still prefer Space Empires 5...

[Kimbblesrath 503]

Alpha Centauri! A good game there, although I still prefer Space Empires 5...

Have any f you guys played his Civilization series?

[Leosallespoli 338]

Have any f you guys played his Civilization series?

hehe Really, I think everyone above 18 have played at least one. Personally I don't like the 5 as it doesn't allow stacking...

[Kimbblesrath 503]

hehe Really, I think everyone above 18 have played at least one. Personally I don't like the 5 as it doesn't allow stacking...

Civ 5 was OK, I really loved the G&K expansion because it readded religion which I thought was a cool concept(I am atheist btw). also because it added a bunch of new units. But IMO, Civ 4 was the best. I have played Civ 3, but not Civ 1 or 2. Speaking of, has anyone played the older Elder Scrolls games? like before Morrowind. (IDK what they are called)

[EstebanLB 183]

make sense, but what still bothers me is that once I have the unshaped ingot (lots of them), I have to heat it first to get the ingot out..

so maybe there shouldn't be temperature limit for working on unshaped ingots (except the solid form).

unless there is an explanation for it too

You need to practice then, the way Bioxx intended. Shape the bar right after it gets out of the bloomery man, don't overproduce the thing. If you need to wait for the bar to get colder, then plan accordingly

[Leosallespoli 338]

Civ 5 was OK, I really loved the G&K expansion because it readded religion which I thought was a cool concept(I am atheist btw). also because it added a bunch of new units. But IMO, Civ 4 was the best. I have played Civ 3, but not Civ 1 or 2. Speaking of, has anyone played the older Elder Scrolls games? like before Morrowind. (IDK what they are called)

I have Morrowind, wich had the amazing feature that made skyrim a not so amazing game for me, the feature of making your own spells as you like! But before morrowind? No I have not

[dunkleosteus 2,425]

I have Morrowind, wich had the amazing feature that made skyrim a not so amazing game for me, the feature of making your own spells as you like! But before morrowind? No I have not

My dad had civ 2 and 3 when I was little and morrowind when I was older. I own oblivion and skyrim and i have my dad's old civ 3, and my own civ 4 and 5

they're nice games

[Just_Another_Guy_:) 1,066]

I think i should give civilization a try... i heard about it hundreds of times, i saw some images, but honestly i forgot pretty quickly about it :

Just so i don't go to the battlefield unarmed*, and as this thread seems to have derailed into old games discussion... How is the game's style? i mean, sort of like AoE, or RPG, or... what? :

*Just a translated expression which i don't know if it has an english version or something like that...

[Leosallespoli 338]

I think i should give civilization a try... i heard about it hundreds of times, i saw some images, but honestly i forgot pretty quickly about it :

Just so i don't go to the battlefield unarmed*, and as this thread seems to have derailed into old games discussion... How is the game's style? i mean, sort of like AoE, or RPG, or... what? :

*Just a translated expression which i don't know if it has an english version or something like that...

It is Civilization... I don't think it fits on just a single genre, it is a empire management - strategy game, there is also elements of RPG in it.

[Just_Another_Guy_:) 1,066]

From what i saw in some more pictures... I think i can say, tentativelly, that's somewhat similar to Theocracy? At least in the empire management, strategic side...

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/7176/theol.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f9/Theocracy-Province.png

http://www.gamesnation.com/images/images/screenshots/0000/screenshot-407-2.jpg

I'm just trying to find something to relate it to, so i have some idea of what is the game... :

[Kimbblesrath 503]

From what i saw in some more pictures... I think i can say, tentativelly, that's somewhat similar to Theocracy? At least in the empire management, strategic side...

http://img717.images.../7176/theol.png

http://upload.wikime...cy-Province.png

http://www.gamesnati...nshot-407-2.jpg

I'm just trying to find something to relate it to, so i have some idea of what is the game... :

Some what yes. I have heard some about Theocracy, And it is the rough idea of CIv. BUT ONLY SOME WHAT THEY ARE NOT THAT SIMILAR!!!

[Leosallespoli 338]

From what i saw in some more pictures... I think i can say, tentativelly, that's somewhat similar to Theocracy? At least in the empire management, strategic side...

http://img717.images.../7176/theol.png

http://upload.wikime...cy-Province.png

http://www.gamesnati...nshot-407-2.jpg

I'm just trying to find something to relate it to, so i have some idea of what is the game... :

It seems very different, in CIV you build cities, in them you can build things that work like an upgrade for you city, but basically you city is an unit, you can build settlers there and move them to make new cities. You conquer the adversaries either by force and you smash their cities, or by diplomacy.