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Hans_Lemurson

Single type of support beam

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One of the biggest reasons that I don't use Support Beams (aside from caveins being nearly nonexistent) is that it is very frustrating and annoying to manage supplies of both Vertical AND horizontal beams.  You use them up at different rates, so you will often have one or the other left uselessly in your inventory.

 

Vertical and Horizontal beams serve only a single purpose (preventing caveins) and one cannot work without the other.  Why are there two separate items being used for a single task?  I would assume some sort of technical reason is involved, but I find them very irritating to work with as they currently are.

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I think having vertical and horizontal support make it much easier to code and make rule like vertical support that needs to be at least 3 blocks tall for horizontal support and only horizontal support dong the supporting. What I think is useless is that each wood type has it's type of support. Which make it even worse if you have mixed forest you use wood for.

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Im sure that Bioxx will be making cave-ins significantly more deadly at some point ;) pretty sure you can change the occurrence of cave-ins in the configs to something you are more happy with.

 

The pack is designed to make it more believable, you use 1 log you get 8 supports, whether you cut them horizontally or vertically. 

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I think having vertical and horizontal support make it much easier to code and make rule like vertical support that needs to be at least 3 blocks tall for horizontal support and only horizontal support dong the supporting. What I think is useless is that each wood type has it's type of support. Which make it even worse if you have mixed forest you use wood for.

Yeah, the multiple wood types certainly doesn't help.  I had to pick just one type of wood to use for supports and stick with it (and not accidentally mix up Birch and Aspen).

Im sure that Bioxx will be making cave-ins significantly more deadly at some point ;) pretty sure you can change the occurrence of cave-ins in the configs to something you are more happy with.

 

The pack is designed to make it more believable, you use 1 log you get 8 supports, whether you cut them horizontally or vertically. 

What pack?

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At first, I thought it would be a lot of work to make beams a single item (I first thought of this a while back). After a bit of thinking, I realized it actually isn't too hard, given a few conditions: firstly, we don't actually have to use a SINGLE block, as far as most players are concerned, if they only craft one item, there's only one block. The situations in which you can place vertical or horizontal beams would have to be mutually exlcusive, so there would never be any ambiguity over whether a player was trying to place one block or the other. After that, we just have a single item block that places either a physical vertical or horizontal beam in the world, and make it so those beams both drop the same block.

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What options are there available to place a different kind of block depending on the player's actions?  Come to think of it, there are actually a LOT of objects whose orientation/properties change based on how they are placed.  Torches, Doors, Logs, Half-slabs; all of those give you different results depending on where you click for placement, or what your orientation is.

 

Something I'm curious about though: Why are there two kinds of support beams in the first place?

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Currently there are two different kinds of support beams because only the horizontal beam actually does any supporting. The vertical beams are just there to hold up the horizontal ones. I would also think that the placement rules for the beams are a bit simpler to code with the separate blocks.

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What if you wanted to make a cobble house? Hard to do without support beams, do you really want one, unchanging, indifferent, bland color when you could have a whole pallet of 17 possible colors to decorate the beams as? And people also use beams for reasons other than support as well. I've seen people turn beams into works of art, or even just little simple things, like a spit over a fire pit. Little things like that are what make a game beautiful. 

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What if you wanted to make a cobble house? Hard to do without support beams, do you really want one, unchanging, indifferent, bland color when you could have a whole pallet of 17 possible colors to decorate the beams as? And people also use beams for reasons other than support as well. I've seen people turn beams into works of art, or even just little simple things, like a spit over a fire pit. Little things like that are what make a game beautiful. 

 

I think the idea is that there will still be support beams for each of the 17 woods, but instead of having 34 (horizontal and vertical), just have one, all-inclusive, support beam for each wood.

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If you guys are considering revising the support beam code, could you improve the UV mapping so that the direction of the grain matches the direction of the beam? Or at least make the different direction horizontal beams have unique block IDs so that I can use connected textures to make it work? It looks really bad the way it is when you bump up the resolution...

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