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Casting instead of Scribing

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So, I don't know much about metallurgy but having to plan out simple forms like a chisel head kinda bugs me.

Why not use molds instead of plans?

Similar to the clay molds we already have - you'd have to make different molds for what you want to make.

So for example - make a chisel head mold - let it fill with liquid metal - cool it off - work it in the anvil (without any kind of plan)

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there are no chisel head molds in real life, so no.

It defeats the purpose to work with the hammer (considering that it can smash the mold) if you can just shape the metal using molds.

Plans tell the anvil what you are making, and you are ``planning`` a way to make the specified item.

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To make a mould you first need an example of the object you wish to make a mould from.

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And set aside that, you need two halves to the mould, and a bit of finishing to complete the moulded heads [rock tumbler/ball mill/sandpaper and/or some additional hammering]

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there are no chisel head molds in real life, so no.

It defeats the purpose to work with the hammer (considering that it can smash the mold) if you can just shape the metal using molds.

Plans tell the anvil what you are making, and you are ``planning`` a way to make the specified item.

Well actually, most metal tools you'd find your toolbox are cast. Chisels, hammers, axes, screwdrivers, cylinder blocks, gun barrels and a whole lot more. Almost anything that is made from metal and can't be made from sheet metal or metal wire, is cast. Because is is so much cheaper and faster than other methods for such things.

However, in the old days cast metal often contained flaws, making it more brittle compared to worked metals. So it could be implemented quite fairly, you can go the easy road, but you'll lose durability for it. Meaning poeple taking the easy road, will burn through their tools quicker.

Also with casting you can make things which you can't with smithing, because some thing are just plainly too big for that. (afterall, you can't smith what you can't lift) Cannons are a nice example and I think those would be really cool to have, especially in SMP.

I think casting would open up nice opportunities. It would probably need a foundry, with a bloomery connected to a funnel that leads the molten metal into the mould.

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OHH I really like this idea. I posted on the ideas for pvp that we should have catapults and the like. Maybe if the metal components for large things (not just war machines but anything assembled from metal parts) should be made from casting. Cuz otherwise youd have tons of plans, in this way, you can have some plans and some casts

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The casts should be minimum wrought iron in my opinion. That and the durability of what ever is made in them reduced. Hand-worked metal tools are a lot stronger as the Japanese have proven. Folded metal blades that can even cut through other metals (not unscathed of course! heh)

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The casts should be minimum wrought iron in my opinion. That and the durability of what ever is made in them reduced. Hand-worked metal tools are a lot stronger as the Japanese have proven. Folded metal blades that can even cut through other metals (not unscathed of course! heh)

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Katanas were extremely shitty weapons, due to the poor quality of metal that the Japanese had available -- that's why they had to fold them so many times: to work out all the impurities.

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Katanas were extremely shitty weapons, due to the poor quality of metal that the Japanese had available -- that's why they had to fold them so many times: to work out all the impurities.

Hell if it didn't work though - they could shred european plate mail like warm butter

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If casting anything will or should be implemented, I think Anvils should be it. The crafting table makes no sense with this mod for that. "Put in 7 double ingots (which is hecka expensive for something you won't use in the next tier anyways)((I'm not sure if you can melt down an anvil...)) and get an anvil! Yay!" Rubs me the wrong way. You should cast an anvil. Makes more sense than slapping some double ingots together.

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Hell if it didn't work though - they could shred european plate mail like warm butter

I would disagree with that. Firstly, there are no examples of western nations clashing in the military theatre until after Europe had moved on from full period plate armour. It would actually be really interesting to see them clash :P As far as the Katana goes, it is a highly overrated weapon. The fact of the matter is that it was designed for killing unarmoured targets, as indicated by it's thick blade and slashing orientated blade profile. There have been many videos comparing the katana and western swords, but they are not really compared properly. For example, one video compares a katana to a western longsword, but these weapons perform different roles, so they can't be compared fairly. Overall, it is impossible to say who produced the better weapons, armour or fighting style, as these do not exist. Every theatre of war is different, and every weapon is a tool specialised for its theatre.

Well actually, most metal tools you'd find your toolbox are cast. Chisels, hammers, axes, screwdrivers, cylinder blocks, gun barrels and a whole lot more. Almost anything that is made from metal and can't be made from sheet metal or metal wire, is cast. Because is is so much cheaper and faster than other methods for such things.

However, in the old days cast metal often contained flaws, making it more brittle compared to worked metals. So it could be implemented quite fairly, you can go the easy road, but you'll lose durability for it. Meaning poeple taking the easy road, will burn through their tools quicker.

Also with casting you can make things which you can't with smithing, because some thing are just plainly too big for that. (afterall, you can't smith what you can't lift) Cannons are a nice example and I think those would be really cool to have, especially in SMP.

I think casting would open up nice opportunities. It would probably need a foundry, with a bloomery connected to a funnel that leads the molten metal into the mould.

As far as casting tools goes, most tools are actually drop forged, as casting often lends itself to internal stress, impurities and strength inconsistency. While you are right that a good number of things are cast these days, they are also then machined and heat and chemically treated. Casting can often be the first step in the production process, but there are few things that go straight from casting to finished product.

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Hell if it didn't work though - they could shred european plate mail like warm butter

they can stab at the plate male, but the fighting style that europeans used involved clashing swords, so a katana would require a quick, direct blow so that the knight or other swordsman couldn't parry. The more malleable steel blade would likely break the more rigid katana. Let's also remember that swords weren't meant for killing knights with a direct hit, there were men with axes, maces, hammers, great swords, flails, long spears . If a swordsman had to fight a knight, they would probably aim at one of the joints, not the center of the plate. Katanas were not meant for sword clashing, and were specifically made to cut through leather and other light armors, so they were rigid. Longswords were meant for clashing swords, so the metal is more malleable so it is less likely to shatter upon impact. Also, the metal armor was made to counter the sword, not the sword to counter the armor. Asian armors had more layers and included materials that could stop a katana.
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