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I have a really complex idea for forests/biomes for the new edition of TFCraft. In actual forests, the amount of shrubbery and foliage on the ground often depends on the concentration of the trees and the temperature and rainfall of the area. Could there be new plants and bushes to fit in with forests following the same rules? I don't really know that much about Java, but is there a way to make certain plants or bushes grow in only certain light levels? There could be grass color changes in winter/fall, and have dead leaf textures that appear on the ground (similar to the minecart rails) that could be harvested and crafted with sticks or something to make some sort of block or slab to be used in early shelters. And there can be shorter grass or tiny plants that grow in denser forests, and for really dense forests, have the dead leaves all along the forest floor with tiny plants, and have small bushes and such. And there could be different types of grass/ferns to grow in different environments, with varying heights and sizes, that could maybe drop different types of thatch with certain characteristics. And for some trees, probably all but the taller ones, you could have trunks and branches the size the fruit trees and make the fruit tree trunks even smaller, and then when winter rolls around, the leaves could "fall off" and litter the floor, until spring when little leaf buds can fill the trees. I don't know how all the extra items would run on lower end computers, though. In advance, thanks for reading.

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Ok, so I was thinking about TFC2 and had the idea that this version would be a great opportunity to add detail to the terrain. I was thinking about having small decorations all over the ground. Now you may be thinking "oh well there's already tall grass, and ferns and flowers, etc." but when you look outside IRL you see a multitude of different plants, especially in forests. There's also epiphytes and vines that grow on trees, moss & Ivy and such. I think it would add a lot to the nature part of TFC to have small things like this, lots of different plants that could grow in certain environments. for example, forest floors usually don't have grass, it's almost always dirt with lots of understory (things like bushes or shrubs, smaller trees/ saplings, moss, ferns, etc.) and in plains/ meadows the grass isn't mostly short (usually). What i'm thinking exactly is something along the lines of simply adding a few more plants, or even a generic plant blocks with many different possible textures, which would be based on the environment around it (tree density/ type, biome, rainfall, whether its next to water, altitude, temperature, etc.). I know this wouldn't add much to the gameplay aspect of the game (unless some of the plants had uses, like maybe some herbs), but it would make the environment feel much more alive and believable/make more sense. Its just and idea and I won't be offended if people aren't fans of it
 

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I hadn't thought about epiphytes. That would be really cool, especially in jungle areas.

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Altering the size of tree trunks is actually a real pain which is why we do not do it. Anything smaller than 1m means that the rendering for branches gets very complicated. That said, I've always intended to add moss and things of that nature in TFC1. So I'll add this to my short list of things I can do when I'm struggling on something bigger. :)

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I'd like to join in here with some ideas and examples from other mods.

 

Some of the most awesome and believable environments I've seen in Minecraft are from Realistic World Generation + Biomes O' Plenty mods.

 

TFC2 certainly doesn't need anything so extreme, but there are some concepts it uses that could possibly improve environmental aesthetics.

 

One of my favorite things is the bushes:

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They are essentially just short trees (only one log). These really help to emphasize dryer areas that don't get enough rainfall for tall trees. I'm not familiar with how tree schematics work, but perhaps this could be accomplished by using the rainfall value to determine tree height?

Also for dry areas, it doesn't necessarily have to be dry grass or desert. Another concept can be achieved by adding cactus and having trees with less leaves:

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Bushes can be added as undergrowth in forests to create lush areas (similar to vanilla jungle but less frequent):

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These could really help add to the believability, in having to slowly push your way through the brush or hack a path.

Also in those screenshots you'll notice the smooth flowing hills. I really love those, but I understand that may not be possible with the current implementation of terrain generation. Worth a mention though.

Snow-capped mountains are quite a sight too:

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Here's a good example of vines and moss in a swampy area:

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Anyways, just wanted to share some of these in case it helps inspire some creativity.

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Since the OP is about Better Forest Biomes, there it goes.

What about having more descriptive biomes? 

Instead of just plains, we could have frozen plains, temperate plains, tropical plains and Hot plains.

Every single mod out there that generates animals, creatures monsters, plants, flowers and trees uses a biome system, so this would be a great advance in compatibility.

As I have said many times, I am no coder, so no idea how much more work is involved in that.

From the point of view of someone making a modpack it would be extremely helpful.

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Also in those screenshots you'll notice the smooth flowing hills.

I'm kind of with Kitty on a lot of these huge rolling mountains.  Looks pretty ,but seems like death to my keyboard's spacebar.  But, I guess that might motivate me to build the cog rail to my mountaintop home.  From the screenshots Bioxx has posted though - which were pretty preliminary - I have no doubt we're going to have some incredible terrain in TFC.  Especially since we'll have 100 more elevation for the mountains, now that sea level is back down around 50ish.

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I think it is good to actually have such big mountains. And if you don't want to be always pressing space just avoid the mountain! In real life no one thinks about crossing the highest mountain in the Alpes to get from France to Italy. It will also motivate the creation of tunnels, which will look really cool

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