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Darmilian

Snapping Turtle

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Ha, that is cute.   I'd take that thin lighter-green box on the bottom - which mostly won't be visible at all - and put it on the top as a slight dome to the shell.  Neck box seems a bit odd at the color it is.  Is there a reason it doesn't match the body or the shell?  And did you try it without the neck box?  It probably doesn't need it.  It'd be needed if the head were going to be animated to snap forward, but at this point I don't think that's likely.    The tooth/beak, I'd suggest turning it 45 degrees so it's point-down.  That might make him look a bit more threatening.  I get that their eyes are yellow, but without the pupil (and I'm not saying to put one in) it seems a bit weird to me, like he's a zombie or something.  I think maybe just normal black for the eye might be better.  I'm not on my MCMC computer right now, so can't comment on the technical details at the moment. 

Also go ahead and re-post the shark model here, so we have it in this forum.

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Let's not do ridges on the tail, especially full thickness ones.  Let's save that for more monstrous creatures (and maybe alligators).  But if you want to go for alligator snapper and try some rotated corner-up boxes on the back of the shell, rather than the dome, I'd go for that.  If the shell isn't the turtle's icon, I don't know what is.

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I've solved that things, but i must keep some kind of dragon tail in these cool creatures.

Updaptes:

-Neck removed.

-Smaller tail.

-Color brown added to the eyes.

-Scales width reduction.

-New form of shell

-New "lip" form

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Textures and model:

Snapping Turtel V2.MCModelSnapping turtle V2.png

And don't worry, i'm going to post my shark model here.

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I was wrong on the neck.  It looked better with it, especially the scrunched up version.  Kind of bulldog-like.  Just make sure the neck color matches the other skin.  Otherwise it actually looks like he's wearing a turtleneck sweater.

For the lip/beak, what you did there is better than the orthogonal, though it's probably going to be rarely visible from the player's pov.  I was suggesting a further 90 degree rotation around Y, so from the front you see a triangle.  If you look at a snapping turtle head-on, they have a descending beak point, when viewed from the front.  I tried it in the screenshot below.  But seeing it, I'm kind of ambivalent.  Your call.

The lower body shell (plastron) serves no purpose, you're showing these very low angle shots but mostly what players will see is this:

SnappingScreen.jpg

You can't see the plastron at all.  You'll see it for a moment when the turtle dies, and that's it.  It really has no point.  You can put the bottom texture on the bottom side of the mid-bodyshell, and it will have the same effect.  It needs to go.

Without that bottom shell you could have gotten by with 64x32 instead of 64x64.  Actually probably could anyway, but it's a pain to change it after it's made so I'm not asking you to change that.  But in the future, animals this small really shouldn't need a texture larger than 64x32.

The tail ridges, I see you did them with one 2d plane rather than separate ones.  So at least they're not individual pieces anymore.  But when I look at the turtle, my eyes are drawn to those tail ridges.  And to me that's exactly the opposite of where you want the attention to be.  They're small details, and the only small details.  They begin and end on the tail, and so they hold the attention there.    It's not that I dislike them, it's that they unbalance the model, by providing more detail in that spot than exists on the rest of the model.  There will probably be room in swamps for a 'boss turtle', and that turtle?  He's going to have tail ridges, shell ridges, and a serious beak.  He'll have detail end-to-end, and it'll be great.  This little guy is cool, maybe annoying, but he's not a deadly threat.  Lets save the next level of detail for the deadly threats, so they don't just look like scaled up versions of 'normal' animals.

Edit - Technical Notes: The head rotation point, it's good to keep in mind that when the animal looks around and watches the player, that's the point it will rotate around.  Right now you have it rather far back in the shell and I'm guessing the turtle's head will clip into the shell if it turns to the sides very far.  Might be a good idea to move it to be a voxel or two behind the eyes.  Similarly, the tail pieces both seem unnecessarily sunken into the parts ahead of them.  Even if animated, I don't think they'll probably rotate all that much.  The first tail piece's rotation point should at least be flush with the back face of the shell, not outside it, and the second piece's rotation point flush with the back of the first piece.  You could slightly sink them, so as not to show cracks when 'wagging', but as mentioned earlier I doubt the wag would be very drastic, and so the cracks probably not all that noticeable.  So it's probably not critical.

 

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Updates based on the tips are now here:

I'm happy to see his neck again :D.

 

Screenshot_21.png

 

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This "down shell texture" is more accurate with reality:

 

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Updaptes:

-Neck added, again.

-Lower shell box removed, and changed with a texture.

-Tail scales removed.

-Tail small adjustements.

-Canvas texture size changed.

 

Textures and model:

Snapping turtle V2.5.png

Snapping Turtel V2.5.MCModel

 

 

 

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Yes, looks good.  Neck box needs a proper name though.  And the head gizmo is still in the wrong spot and the head box too long, if the turtle is ever going to look to the sides.  It needs to have a z position of around -1, and then you'll have to modify the z offset of the head, jaw, and lip, to get them back in the right spots, and shorten the head box.  Just rotate the head on the Y axis, and you should see what I mean about it clipping into the shell.

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You know the maximun head rotation in minecraft with the pig AI? "im working in that problem".:(

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I tried doing my best working on that problem, this is the result.

Screenshot_28.png

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Screenshot_30.png

 

Updaptes:

-Head rotation adjustements

-Reduction of tail

-General reduction of width body

-Shorter head

-Texture adjustements

"If the neck is animated with Y axis rotations, will happen the same as in the head in the 2.5 MCmodel version ."

 

Textures and model:

Snapping turtle V2.8.png

Snapping Turtel V2.8.MCModel

 

 

 

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Ya, I think that might work.  Hard to know for sure till we see it in action.  If you're good with it, go ahead and put *final* in the title.

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I'm not sure... If anyone more have something to say about what he/she thinks about the model. Also if it's posible a brief Bioxx opinion whould be helpful for me, if i go for aligator snapping turtle or maybe more turtle sizes.

if i there is no opinion in a few days, i will mark it as final.

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