For the SSP players...

[Sasqaucth 45]

Hypocritical, but please edit posts to save space.

[warfighter67 124]

Yeah, I know how to edit. I'm just being lazy, lol. I'm also used to MC forums how they auto-edit double posts and combine them.

[Treyflix 277]

Indeed I'm being hypocritical. But this discussion can not continue until you answer my question. You still have not answered it!

[elustran 23]

Indeed I'm being hypocritical. But this discussion can not continue until you answer my question. You still have not answered it!

Was this the question?

I'm just getting frusterated here. Either I'm not combating my point correctly or you're not listening.

So in order to understand you're train of thought better, why do you grow crops? And why do you need them fully grown?

I want to grow crops so I can experiment with agriculture in a reasonable timeframe. 30-60 hours is a pretty reasonable amount of time to dedicate to single playthrough, but in that timeframe, I would only be able to experience a single harvest or two. To compound that, I wouldn't get to experience the changes to ranching and animal breeding. The purpose of this game is to struggle, survive, thrive, create, right? Well, the metallurgy part of the game isn't the sole part of the sandbox that forms TFC. Maybe it could be fun to play a hunter and just travel around, but I would personally much rather homestead and look over my herds of cattle, verdant vegetable garden, and rolling fields of grain. If that's not possible, I'm not as interested.

Now, my understanding of your point, and others who are saying similar things is that you can play the game without agriculture? Also, you say that part of your experience of TFC is informed by your experience with farming, so you're more accustomed to waiting for your crops to grow? I would like to ask too, are you playing this game in SSP at all? Are you playing on a server every day or every other day? Do you ever go for several days without playing? If you only play every several days, do you have shared crops with people on the SMP server you play on, or do you just let your crops wither or leave your crops fallow for a year or something?

There's no need for us to be tense about this problem. The goal should ultimately be a game we all like playing, and I think that's quite possible. I don't think any suggestion to fix the agricultural problem is going to affect the players for whom the game is already balanced, but it will really help the rest of us.

[Treyflix 277]

Was this the question?

I want to grow crops so I can experiment with agriculture in a reasonable timeframe. 30-60 hours is a pretty reasonable amount of time to dedicate to single playthrough, but in that timeframe, I would only be able to experience a single harvest or two. To compound that, I wouldn't get to experience the changes to ranching and animal breeding. The purpose of this game is to struggle, survive, thrive, create, right? Well, the metallurgy part of the game isn't the sole part of the sandbox that forms TFC. Maybe it could be fun to play a hunter and just travel around, but I would personally much rather homestead and look over my herds of cattle, verdant vegetable garden, and rolling fields of grain. If that's not possible, I'm not as interested.

that's a good point, ranching and such would be fun. But stuff like that takes patience.

Now, my understanding of your point, and others who are saying similar things is that you can play the game without agriculture?

no.

Also, you say that part of your experience of TFC is informed by your experience with farming, so you're more accustomed to waiting for your crops to grow?

yes

I would like to ask too, are you playing this game in SSP at all?

I have never, not even once in my life ever played minecraft on a server At all. Let alone TFC.

Are you playing on a server every day or every other day? Do you ever go for several days without playing? If you only play every several days, do you have shared crops with people on the SMP server you play on, or do you just let your crops wither or leave your crops fallow for a year or something?

no, no, no, and no! I never play SMP. I often go 4 days without playing. And when I do play it's only for a few hours at a tine. Fithermore I play on hardcore only. However I don't have a problem with how long it takes crops to grow.

There's no need for us to be tense about this problem. The goal should ultimately be a game we all like playing, and I think that's quite possible. I don't think any suggestion to fix the agricultural problem is going to affect the players for whom the game is already balanced, but it will really help the rest of us.

agreed

edited my replies In with Italiac.

[warfighter67 124]

Elustran said it better than I ever could. Maybe because I'm hard-pressed to even find the time to coherently write down my thoughts here, between school and all.

The thing is, though, you are still waiting for your crops to grow. The only difference is that, instead of 15-20 straight playing hours, you would log on for about 3-4 hours, do stuff in TFC, among growing crops, log off for work/school, and come back 8-9 hours later with crops that have advanced.

Perhaps, even, there could be such a thing as 'Vacation mode' in the MC options that will disable advancing while you are logged off, for instance, if you decide to take a break from MC, or are actually going on a long vacation.

The bottom line is that SSP players (I'm almost strictly SMP ever since I bought MC months ago) get thwarted from many aspects of TFC gameplay if they can't get on every day, or log on once in a while playing for a few hours at a time (a few hours is quite awhile... I usually only stay on for an hour or less).

Back before I bought MC, I had TFC beta 39. I had a really nice SSP world, but I was tired of not being able to see my fruit trees grow. You know what I did? I suckered up, trashed my cracked copy, and bought the game, just so I could play on a server.

Okay, I digress. I have a problem of going off into rants when I type.

Please note, Treyfix, that I apologize for the semi-personal bashes against you yesterday. I was in class and didn't take the time to think before I typed. xD