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      Hey All, A topic has come up of late in the IRC channel in regards to the general feel of the forums and the community that supports them. Things have progressed further than I would have liked with out this being addressed more publicly because I would much rather have snubbed this out sooner rather than later.. but I have been busy. Here is the general rule I would like people to follow: Wheaton's Law "Don't be a dick." Those of you from the IRC channel know that this is the only rule I ask people in there to follow and we generally have a good and lively time chatting about all manner of things. This is basic rule that just about everyone understands and I am going to expand it to the forums from here moving forward. If you can not help people in a helpful and polite manner then I simply ask you to stop. Now I generally take a back seat to moderating the forums as I like to participate in the suggestions forum fairly heavily at times and would rather do so as a forums user than a moderator. But I am also fairly well known for being the person who constantly puts their foot down and so I am stepping up and doing so on here. If you find yourself unable to respond to a message politely then I ask that you do not respond. This mostly focuses on the increasing level of hostility found within the Suggestion forum as well as the Server forum. I do not care if this is the 30th some odd time you have seen someone make the same suggestion. Or even if the new post on an older topic is one entry above the old one. I expect the members of this forum to respond politely to the user, new or old, and point to the older topic if it applies and even go the extra step to suggest they either add in new information or to summarize the outcome of the previous discussion based upon the new post's entry into it. That is what we are here for, that is why I close most topics instead of deleting them, so that they can be found and referenced down the road. The next topic is the slew of derailment attempts I have seen as of late. If you want to have fun and joke around that is what the off topic forum is for and pretty much anything goes there. I do not expect to read a suggestion thread and have to go through 3 pages of image memes people have shot back and forth. Quite simply this is a waste of my time to read and then have to clean up. Now for the summary. I am going to start taking a more active role, especially in policing the suggestion forum, and handing out warn levels to people whom I see doing this. These will be indiscriminate and applied not to just the first person who derails or is impolite on a topic or response, but to everyone whom follows the lead of that person. As I do not like doing things with out giving you all warning this post shall serve as that warning. If you have a desire to bring this topic up with me then I invite you to do so on the IRC channel. Lets raise the level of quality and grow the community. Let us not descend into the quality often found on the minecraft or league of legend forums. There is simply no need for that here. Be passionate about things, just do not be abusive.
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      Recently I've seen a few server listings showing up on the first page of the Servers forum that have been closed for an extended period of time, but have recently gotten a reply from a new member who didn't realize the server is offline. To help prevent this from happening in the future, it would be greatly appreciated if you could use the report function on the original post of any servers that have been confirmed as offline, so that the topic may be locked. If you are the admin of a server and plan on taking the server offline, please use the report function on the original post of your topic to let the TFC Staff know that the topic should be locked. If you are the admin of a server that has a locked topic, and would wish to bring the server back online, please use the report function on the original post of the topic to let the TFC Staff know that the topic should be unlocked. As always, please remember to follow rule #3 of the servers forum and update your topic title to contain the version of TFC that the server is currently running. You can do so by editing the OP, and then clicking on "Use Full Editor."
chukleberryfinn

Herbology/Pharmacology/Medicine

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This topic had been danced around but I think my idea is unique enough to deserve a separate thread. 

I would love to see some form of agriculture that is focused on healing. In the past, healing has happened passively. I think it would be neat to implement a skill tree for alchemy or whatever you want to call it. Where you make potions or tinctures or just healing poultices or whatever it may be.

This would be a more active form of healing. If the 1000 hp system is maintained, maybe each dose or application of healing would be a certain percent or fixed amount (50-200 or so). Nothing overpowered, but something that would speed up the healing process. 

Basic healing might include bandages, fungi for antibacterial, moving towards more refined items such as the potions and tinctures and things. 

This system could include the broken leg idea and such. 

In order for it to be fun, I think a large amount of herbs would need to be farmed in order to produce really effective medicine. Refining stations to use the herbs and agricultural products. Higher skill levels could produce more bandages per recipe or more doses per vial etc. 

You could even implement coop medicine like blood infusion to recover large amounts of hp (high use time like mining obsidian and only use on another player). 

This could enrich servers and multiplayer worlds by letting players focus on different skill trees to support the group. 

 

Thanks for reading.

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I think that having more healing options than just waiting it out or jumping in an hotspring would be nice, especially because in TFC 2 players will have to fight monsters if they want to progress. I don't think however that LARGE quantities of mundane items would be needed to make high end medicine, I think that one would need more "exotic" ingredients for that, either magical (i dunno, troll blood) or more grounded and realistic (penicillin, as an example, is a kind of mould).

Being my usual me that can't shut up and fells the need to throw his opinions and ideas in the face of everybody else, I have a more specific suggestion.


I think that the player (and maybe the mobs) should have a general health bar (the default health bar visible on the hotbar) to give him/her a quick overview of his status but that health should be split between different body parts. So, on 2000 total health you would have:

    Head - 200 health. Destroying the head would mean death for the player and most mobs. If the head is destroyed with a bladed weapon. it could also sometimes drop as an item (like vanilla zombie heads and skulls, not gory).
    Torso - 600 health. Destroying the torso would mean death for the player and most mobs.
    Left Arm - 300 health. Destroying the left arm would make the player unable to use his/her offhand and any two-handed weapon. Destroying both would make the player take a small amount of damage (50 health) when attacking, but he/she would still be able to open doors and use items without penalties.
    Right Arm - 300 health Destroying the right arm would make the player switch to their other arm, disabling the offhand (the player would be using it as a mainhand) and making the player a bit slower in his/her attacks. Also, he/she wouldn't be able to use two-handers. A high enough skill in fighting (more on that later) would disable the speed penalty from using his/her left arm. Destroying both would make the player take a small amount of damage (50 health) when attacking, but he/she would still be able to open doors and use items without penalties.
    Left Leg - 300 health. Destroying a leg would make the player slower. Destroying both would make him/her reaaaally slow (or immobile, if you really want to be hard on him/her)
    Right Leg - 300 health. Destroying a leg would make the player slower. Destroying both would make him crawl reaaaally slow (or immobile, if you really want to be hard on him/her; in that case I suggest adding some sort of crutch that can make a de-legged player   walk)

Destroyed limbs wouldn't have gory effects (even though I'd really like to see limbs fly off in the heat of combat...) so they wouldn't be disgusting, at most they could hang limp behind the player instead of being stiff. Or maybe they would just disappear from the model.

The health of these different body parts would be visible in an inventory tab. This inventory tab would have the player's total health bar on the top, and then a silhouette of the player, with each different part being evidenced. At first, the player would be able to see only rough estimates of the health of each part: broken (self explanatory), hurt (10% to 70%), fine (70% to 100%). At high levels of medical skill the player would have more detailed information (broken, nearly broken, badly injured, severely injured, moderately injured, lightly injured, fine) and at max level the player would be able to see the exact health of each part. In this screen, the player would also be able to heal specific parts: other than natural regeneration and hot springs, there would be healing ointments and elixirs.

Ointments would work as a zone-specific heal, and would be applied by clicking on the desired part in the health screen, slowly restoring the health of the part on which they are applied. This heal wouldn't be instantaneous, but would make healing decidedly faster, allowing the player to heal in a day (or a couple if he/she was in really bad shape) damage that would take several days only with natural regen and hot springs. Ointments would be of different potency based on the ingredients used and the medical skill of the crafter. Low-level ointments could be crafted with either oil or animal fat mixed with herbs, while high level ointments would require, on top of the old ingredients, pure silver (metallic silver is a natural bactericide) or "exotic" ingredients.

 Elixirs would instead act as a "general" heal, healing a certain amount of damage in the whole body. They would overall heal less than an ointment, but would make up for that with their faster heal and the fact that they heal all the body parts at once. They would require spirits (distilled alcohol) and herbs at low levels, while requiring magical ingredients at higher levels. There would also be "buffing" elixirs, which would have benefits but also negative effects if used too much, such as strenght (more damage, chance to knock enemy waaaaay back, chance to break shields- taking too much might make the player take damage with each attack because the muscles are too big and rip the skin with each movement), agility (better parrying, more critical hits- taking too much might make the player weak), and speed (walking and attack speed- taking too much might make the player nauseous and/or blind).  They could also be drinked directly. without opening the health screen.

Splints could be crafted with sticks (trash tier), planks and cloth (medium tier), metal rods and cloth (high tier). They would speed up the recovery of broken limbs and act as a "mock-limb", letting the player act as if that limb was not destroyed. They could be applied in the health screen and the recovery speed bonus would be influenced by the player's "medical" skill

A doctor's bag would require a knife, some cloth and some leather (for the bag). It would allow the player to open another player's health screen and thus heal them directly, making players with a high medical skill useful for


A transfusion kit would allow the player to "transfer" health from one player to another. reducing the health of the player using the kit and increasing the health of the player on the receiving end. There would be, however, a slight loss in the amount of health transferred, something like a 10% of the health total. This loss would be reduced by the medical skill, up to the point where a master in the medical skill would have no loss,. It would be crafted with two metal needles and something to act as tubing. Transfusing blood health would be a slow process, taking about a full minute to transfer 500 health. If either of the players take damage during this process, the process is interrupted and the players take some extra 100 points of damage.


So, I mentioned two new skills, the "medical" skill and the "fighting" skill.

    The medical skill is raised by actively healing damage in the health screen with ointments and splints ,crafting ointments and elixirs and using the doctor's bag and transfusion kit. A higher medical skill would reveal more information on the health tab and would make the ointments and elixirs made by the player more effective.
    The fighting skill would make the player able to hold up his/her shield for longer and suffer more damage before having his guard broken, have a larger parry window and recover more quickly from a failed parry, make more critical hits, reload a crossbow more quickly, draw a bow faster and refill his attack meter in less time.

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