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      Hey All, A topic has come up of late in the IRC channel in regards to the general feel of the forums and the community that supports them. Things have progressed further than I would have liked with out this being addressed more publicly because I would much rather have snubbed this out sooner rather than later.. but I have been busy. Here is the general rule I would like people to follow: Wheaton's Law "Don't be a dick." Those of you from the IRC channel know that this is the only rule I ask people in there to follow and we generally have a good and lively time chatting about all manner of things. This is basic rule that just about everyone understands and I am going to expand it to the forums from here moving forward. If you can not help people in a helpful and polite manner then I simply ask you to stop. Now I generally take a back seat to moderating the forums as I like to participate in the suggestions forum fairly heavily at times and would rather do so as a forums user than a moderator. But I am also fairly well known for being the person who constantly puts their foot down and so I am stepping up and doing so on here. If you find yourself unable to respond to a message politely then I ask that you do not respond. This mostly focuses on the increasing level of hostility found within the Suggestion forum as well as the Server forum. I do not care if this is the 30th some odd time you have seen someone make the same suggestion. Or even if the new post on an older topic is one entry above the old one. I expect the members of this forum to respond politely to the user, new or old, and point to the older topic if it applies and even go the extra step to suggest they either add in new information or to summarize the outcome of the previous discussion based upon the new post's entry into it. That is what we are here for, that is why I close most topics instead of deleting them, so that they can be found and referenced down the road. The next topic is the slew of derailment attempts I have seen as of late. If you want to have fun and joke around that is what the off topic forum is for and pretty much anything goes there. I do not expect to read a suggestion thread and have to go through 3 pages of image memes people have shot back and forth. Quite simply this is a waste of my time to read and then have to clean up. Now for the summary. I am going to start taking a more active role, especially in policing the suggestion forum, and handing out warn levels to people whom I see doing this. These will be indiscriminate and applied not to just the first person who derails or is impolite on a topic or response, but to everyone whom follows the lead of that person. As I do not like doing things with out giving you all warning this post shall serve as that warning. If you have a desire to bring this topic up with me then I invite you to do so on the IRC channel. Lets raise the level of quality and grow the community. Let us not descend into the quality often found on the minecraft or league of legend forums. There is simply no need for that here. Be passionate about things, just do not be abusive.
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Id just like to say...

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....That  I love the new update!  Thanks guys for making the metallurgical part of the game almost to reality! I can go outside and do this then come do it again inside hahahaha.

As a Real life metal caster I find this even more fun to play!  thanks lots!

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New method of producing steel has nothing to do with reality actually. In real life you can't make steel by forging hot pig iron.

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I said metallurgical processes not the forging one....

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How do you make steel in real life?

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How do you make steel in real life?

Maaaaaaaagic

 

-waves hands slowly through the air-

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You get a blast furnace and add iron ore pellets into the giant furnace, but you layer the iron pellets with limestone (flux) and another matireal some times Manganese.  Then the molten metal pours out kind of like in TFC but a lot different, That metal is also pounded and gets the level of carbon desired to the metal. Too much carbon in steel makes it brittle but harder, too less makes it very malleable but softer, but as a real metal worker , I dont like steel :P cause it sucks and I cant melt it lol.  I believe I am close to being right with the steel process.

 

You cant check out my You tube channel,  Im going to start making more videos of real casting and maybe some DIY stuff. :)

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Usually you'll use pig iron instead of iron ore. As you mention, the main goal is to reduce carbon contents in it. There are many methods for achieving this result, but it's a different story.For tfc most suitable method is Bessemer process. Maybe damaskus steel production will be ok.

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You get a blast furnace and add iron ore pellets into the giant furnace, but you layer the iron pellets with limestone (flux) and another matireal some times Manganese.  Then the molten metal pours out kind of like in TFC but a lot different, That metal is also pounded and gets the level of carbon desired to the metal. Too much carbon in steel makes it brittle but harder, too less makes it very malleable but softer, but as a real metal worker , I dont like steel :P cause it sucks and I cant melt it lol.  I believe I am close to being right with the steel process.

 

You cant check out my You tube channel,  Im going to start making more videos of real casting and maybe some DIY stuff. :)

whatever you say, i'm still convinced that you people are secretly doing some kind of dark voodoo magicks >:3

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Chemistry actually.

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New method of producing steel has nothing to do with reality actually. In real life you can't make steel by forging hot pig iron.

 

 

Usually you'll use pig iron instead of iron ore. As you mention, the main goal is to reduce carbon contents in it. There are many methods for achieving this result, but it's a different story.For tfc most suitable method is Bessemer process. Maybe damaskus steel production will be ok.

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steelmaking#History <- the finery forge (working pig iron on an anvil) can be used to make steel.

 

The Bessemer process is too modern for TFC, as it was invented in the 1850's

 

 

We research the shit out of everything we implement, and only smudge the lines when we feel it would interfere with game-play.

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Get out.

Would be nice if Wheaton's Law applied to everyone.
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Would be nice if Wheaton's Law applied to everyone.

 

touche.

 

We put a lot of work into this mod as a hobby; we don't make any money from it. It can be aggravating when people act as if we haven't put any thought into things that took a lot of time, discussion and planning.

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touche.

 

We put a lot of work into this mod as a hobby; we don't make any money from it. It can be aggravating when people act as if we haven't put any thought into things that took a lot of time, discussion and planning.

Wait, you don't make *any* money?  You're telling me that after all this time, not one person has donated to TFC?  That's a shame.  

 

Also, it would be nice if you could teach us some of that research you do.  I'm rather curious about RL metalworking in particular.  

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I understand, Dunk. I deal with people every day who think they know my job better than I do. I think you guys do a great job and I am loving 77. Keep up the good work and try not to let people upset you so much lol

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steelmaking#History <- the finery forge (working pig iron on an anvil) can be used to make steel.

 

The Bessemer process is too modern for TFC, as it was invented in the 1850's

 

 

We research the shit out of everything we implement, and only smudge the lines when we feel it would interfere with game-play.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finery_forge

The fining process involved liquifying cast iron in a fining hearth and removing carbon from the molten cast iron through oxidation.

In the finery, a workman known as the "finer" remelted pig iron so as to oxidise the carbon (and silicon).

This produced a lump of iron (with some slag) known as a bloom.

After that the hammerman "beat the heated bloom with a hammer to drive the molten slag out of it, and then to draw the bloom out into a bar"

 

So, as I said, basic idea behind this process is to reduce carbon content by oxidizing it, removing slag by hammer is an additional operation. 

 

Easy and believable possible fix:

To produce steel:

1) Melt pig iron ingot. It produces high carbon steel (liquid), that solidifies in high carbon steel bloom.

2) Work it on anvil. It produces high carbon steel ingot.

3) Melt high carbon steel ingot. It produces steel (liquid), that solidifies in steel bloom.

4) Work it on anvil. it produces steel ingot.

 

If you want to make steel by forging, you can use method of production of damascus steel

 

PS Don't take this wrong, I don't bitching or something. If I did not like tfc, I wouldn't be writing anything.  I just point on mistake, so you can fix it.

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Wait, you don't make *any* money?  You're telling me that after all this time, not one person has donated to TFC?  That's a shame.  

 

Also, it would be nice if you could teach us some of that research you do.  I'm rather curious about RL metalworking in particular.  

 

I know a lot about metal working, I've been doing it since last February.  im going to put some DIY vids on you tube maybe. :P

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Wait, you don't make *any* money?  You're telling me that after all this time, not one person has donated to TFC?  That's a shame.  

 

Also, it would be nice if you could teach us some of that research you do.  I'm rather curious about RL metalworking in particular.  

 

Should have rephrased that; I don't make any money. The donation money goes directly into Bioxx's paypal account, although last time I asked him, it had been a few months since anyone had donated. I'm still in school and Bioxx is currently out of work, so I really don't mind if he takes the donations.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finery_forge

The fining process involved liquifying cast iron in a fining hearth and removing carbon from the molten cast iron through oxidation.

In the finery, a workman known as the "finer" remelted pig iron so as to oxidise the carbon (and silicon).

This produced a lump of iron (with some slag) known as a bloom.

After that the hammerman "beat the heated bloom with a hammer to drive the molten slag out of it, and then to draw the bloom out into a bar"

 

So, as I said, basic idea behind this process is to reduce carbon content by oxidizing it, removing slag by hammer is an additional operation. 

 

Easy and believable possible fix:

To produce steel:

1) Melt pig iron ingot. It produces high carbon steel (liquid), that solidifies in high carbon steel bloom.

2) Work it on anvil. It produces high carbon steel ingot.

3) Melt high carbon steel ingot. It produces steel (liquid), that solidifies in steel bloom.

4) Work it on anvil. it produces steel ingot.

 

If you want to make steel by forging, you can use method of production of damascus steel

 

PS Don't take this wrong, I don't bitching or something. If I did not like tfc, I wouldn't be writing anything.  I just point on mistake, so you can fix it.

you got me. We didn't want steel to be an alloy of wrought and pig iron but we were already using the bloom to make wrought iron. It was the easiest compromise we could find.

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