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If you want to know how to have all the metal tools by In-game Day 5 I'd suggest watching Dunkleosteus play in his latest TFC let's play. You can also see the correct protocol for accidentally burning down your thatch house xD

Ep1 (currently 4 released)

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2L51QH0P7r8

This does make some sense to have red steel behave this way, according to how buckets are. But then if we (well, you) are starting to build colored steels to deal with substances in a specific way, one logical thing to do is to invent a kind of lore for these magical metals. Like red steel then would be affiliate to water in all its forms, preserving it kinda, and blue steel should then have to do with fire.An example is a full set of blue steel providing fire protection, and red steel allows to swim (let's just imagine other armors do not) and grants ablility spend more time under water.

While building may be fun (I don't disagree), I remember TFC's counter of sorts to Vanilla MC was that after you get a base, it's just creative mode in essence. That's kind of the situation you're describing after purple steel. However, while I do think that things to, well, do after steel other than gun for nickel should be added, I do understand that lots of work is being done on the early game, and it's showing; the early game is great. The early game must be fleshed out before the mid/end game is.

Instead of a quick, "wtf?", death, it's an "Oh, NO, NO, NO, NO!!! Kimbblesrath burned in a hot spring." kind of death. It's the difference between knowing that you died after your death and knowing you're going to die soon with no way to stop/prevent it before your death. Inevitable, slow deaths are much better than surprise fall deaths.

Starving, dehydration, cobble/dirt to the face! (Merciful death) suffocation during cave in (slow, inevitable death), death by Undead and monsters, death by wild apex predators, death by "OH $#!7 the ground just caved into a deep underground ravine and I'm falling to my death!!!", being roasted alive by your first pit kiln being too close to the thatch walls of your newbie house (watch dunk's latest let's play ep 2, priceless!

) and soon perhaps boiling alive. Ironically I'd say "not for small children" but... Well... You know. [/offtopic]

Lurking on this topic, waiting for the perfect opportunity to pounce post. Love where this discussion is going so far though!

Only posting to show my support and follow this topic.... For now.

Or you could be wandering around in desert at the height of summer when you fall in and scald yourself to death

But then if we are taking panning into an account, and considering it yields native copper nugs (haven't played with panning much, I'm still forgetting that's a thing people actually do now; habits), the only thing OP suggestion does is it makes panning even more effective. In my eyes GunnerX's suggestion is then even more viable way to slowing the game down.Then again, I'll always be against slowing progression in general in these ways. If we are dancing around the fact that there's nothing to do once player is progressed up to high tier, padding earlier stages just so they take longer is a terrible approach.[offtopic]

Thanks and hello to you too.If fact, I'm there (somewhere) almost every day. It's just I'm at this stage when I've seen most suggestions people do now at least once already, so I'm replying less and less frequently. Or maybe you just haven't run into me.

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Yeah I know what you mean. Do youPlay on any server? I'd love to finally meet you in-game and I'll be on Central European Time from June to August anyways (yay for Spain

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Yeah, no kidding, the reason I'm suggesting this is so that I CAN use it, it looks far better than without. Lighting looks atrocious when switched off.

How about mortared cobblestone? That's basically what my front porch is. Same recipe as brick, just different look and no chisel needed.

If an area is seismically active, there will be fissures, hot springs, lava pools on the surface, and lava oceans down near bedrock. You can check if an area is seismically active by opening up the F3 menu and checking the Stability value. If it is 0, the area has no activity. Eventually this system may be expanded to include things such as earth quakes, or volcanoes.

What you actually suggesting is to delay metal tools altogether. Out of three copper ores present only one is the actual native metal, meaning by the time you find native copper one can easily find plenty of cassiterite deposits to forge bronze immediately. The actual way to slow player progression even more as you desire is what GunnerX suggested.

It is quite an old thread.

You're still alive!

If it's really a problem they could just make cast bronze tools need to be finished (work-hardened) on a copper anvil.

Yeah, that's a good idea.

So what is everyone's thoughts on the tedium problem? how to avoid? unless you think it's not tedious, in which case please explain

this one is damn great! http://www.soundsnap.com/node/79044

Because making a room in the middle of the desert that's cooled by unmelting ice is just silly, and it isn't believable.

Jesus, I still can't find graphite.

Um, was there even a copper age in real life?As far as I know, bronze was the first tool-metal made because copper was much too soft and malleable and was not suitable tool metal.

The whole point of my suggestion is to move away from charcoal production because it's time consuming.

According to Wikipedia

"Volatile constituents of the coal—including water, coal-gas, and coal-tar—are driven off by baking in an airless furnace or oven (kiln) at temperatures as high as 2,000 °C (3,600 °F) but usually around 1,000–1,100 °C (1,800–2,000 °F).[16] This fuses together the fixed carbon and residual ash. Most modern facilities have "by-product" coking ovens."

So a coke oven block with input/output made of either Fire clay or metal. I'm inclined to think fire clay is more realistic. And it works balance wise

I break 1 block of thatch to get access to a dark room with 4 chests containing food. A nice hatch like the bloomery block provides would be cool.

well, the biggest point of my suggestion was to delay your first bronze tools :Pcause iam unhappy with not using copper tools, because i normally skip copper age completly

What is the difference between Arsenic Bronze and regular Bronze?

This sounds great!

The reason you have to use Charcoal to smelt things is because any impurities (which Coal is full of) can effect the final product Metal/alloy. IRL you can also use a substance called Coke (not to be confused with the soda brand). Charcoal takes a lot of time and is a pain in the @$$ to make. I find I end up with a LOT of coal. TFC should have a way to refine Coal into Coke like IRL!

This would add a LOT more tedium. Especially to mid-game, which already has so much between the Bloomery and Blast Furnace. Also you have not thought of one thing, this would make it so Black bronze is the only bronze you could smelt before aquiring a Copper Anvil. Anvils take time to make so most people wait a while before making their first one. This would put even more emphisis on black bronze and make it so the progression is Copper<Black Bronze<Bronze<Iron etc, which is not historically acurate. Bronze was used long for tools, correct me if I'm wrong but I doubt anyone ever used precious metals to make tools and weapons (A.K.A Black Bronze)

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I guess with GunnerX's information (thank you for posting all that BTW, fascinating info. Are you a geoligist?) you could still pit kiln Cassiterite and thus make regular bronze, taking the emphasis off Black Bronze.

However the added tedium still remains.

Excellent idea and very simple. I support this!