Trenix

Mod creators wabt to show their baby to us, for free.

This is something I keep hearing over and over. Please tell me a single mod which is restricted from the public. Also please tell me what mod charges people to use it, because I know you wont find one since they will be breaking mojang's terms of use. 

You are attacking Kitty who is great at her job, she may have made a mistake but everyone does. Work she does is extremely important in here, and not easy. And she has to obeys the rules as well.

I'm well aware that people make mistakes. We're all human, but Kitty doesn't even care about apologizing or taking responsibility for her mistakes. That's the problem. 

I must say the hatred that's coming from your posts is enough reason for me to say that those forums will be better off without you. You act so egocentric I'm amazed really.

Where does it show hatred? Where does it show that I'm egocentric? I'm up for a discussion, please bring me some proof and evidence. I'm well aware that I could of said things slightly different, but what do you honestly expect from someone who's been mishandled by an admin? How would you feel if an officer pulled you over, thrown you against the car, and then took you in for a day because you were "loud". I'm only asking for a simple apology and apparently that's too much.

It's cute when people argue that they have a right to express their opinion. Sure, do it all you want. But nobody is forced to let it do on their platform, in this case a forum. You have exactly zero rights to do anything on someone's platform. They might let you do things, but you never have an inherent right to do so. Neither are they required to tend to your needs or wants in any way. It's their forum. They can do whatever the hell they please.

 

Letting this discussion continue will lead nowhere. Personally I would have closed this type of thread a lot earlier, or not allowed in the first place. And have done so on multiple occasions in the past on a much larger forum. There is a reason most communities do not allow discussion of moderator / admin actions in public. It leads nowhere and actually usually results in stricter punishment for the people involved.

Unfortunately it does seem that many people here do prefer being controlled by someone who's impulsive, for the fact that they've generously made the mod open to the public. What they don't understand is that it's open for the public for a reason, which its to get some quick cash on a mod they're not making for the community, but rather themselves. It's a pretty much a win-win situation. Obviously I can't be making that up when they're giving flat out no's to things they never want to implement without any feedback from the community whatsoever. Surprised how no one gets offended by that, even after they assisted the devs with wiki updates, bug reports, and ideas. The devs get both the credit and donations for things the community had a part in but the devs leave them out entirely when it comes to decisions, unless they're required. So who's really the one that's ungrateful? But hey, I can see it and I'm sure many others did before they abandoned these forums as well. Like I said, I do enjoy the mod, but if we have a forum admin treating people this way, I rather keep my distance in contributing to anything.

I think any person without a personal grudge against Kitty is going to see that Trenix is acting unreasonable here. Trenix clearly has some misplaced entitlement issues here. The mere fact that Trenix even thought "I will leave if something isn't done about Kitty" would accomplish anything is a symptom of a grossly inflated sense of worth to this forum.

 

Noone is going to look down on you for banning Trenix.

Don't think you quite understand what I'm trying to say. I don't just want to rid of Kitty, but from the problems I've already encountered from her, I feel like I'm being dominated and silenced by her in a very abusive manner. I say my opinion, I get suspended. I make a suggestion, I get my thread locked. I clearly tried to talk to her on a personal level so we can resolve these problems and stop them from happening again, but instead I got generic responses and a lack of care. It's the equivalent of a police officer who's abusing their authority to get the upper hand of things. Seriously, I couldn't even get an apology at the VERY least to make all this history.

Thank you Bioxx for your input and I'm actually glad you brought my e-mail toward kitty. I really don't feel embarrassed of what I said, I could of been a little more nicer but getting a cold shoulder without a full explanation tick me off a little, as it would anyone. As for a professional and respectful way of handling a suggestion that a developer has no interest in changing or implementing, this is how you should handle it. It could be for future reference down the road, possibly when I'm gone.

"Interesting suggestion, however a code rewrite would take too long to make it worth the while. Maybe in the future."

Green: Give the person some credit for going out of their way into making a suggestion that will benefit your mod. Saying something as simple as "interesting" is enough to act in a respectful manner for their contribution.
Blue: Give a simple explanation of why you're not going to add it rather than an excuse, that's unprofessional.
Red: This is the nicest way to say no, even though you're most likely not going to add it in the future, it gives a person some hope and satisfaction that your suggestion was recognized. When a developer says a closure such as that, the discussion usually ends. Locking a thread however, is just simply abusing a power. I didn't do anything wrong, just invested time to put together a well thought out suggestion, only to be told no in a disrespectful manner and then be punished by getting my thread locked. Sorry but my morality says that was out of line and cruel. Really, how do you expect me to act after something like that happened?

You may think that telling people no for suggestion isn't a big deal, but it is for someone who put a whole lot of effort into their suggestion. From what I've seen, people have already complained and got fed up with that type of attitude. It's not really about giving people false hope, but rather recognition for their contribution. The type of response I received made me not want to contribute ever again, put yourself into my shoes, you're honestly going to tell me that you wouldn't feel the same?

I've seen plenty of people get fired from being impulsive. We have a wiki editor who's left it outdated for months, an abusive forum admin who never takes responsibility for their actions, and a community manager who is flat out rude to it's community. If she did mess up, all she needs to do is apologize. The fact that she clearly doesn't want to, shows that she's not good enough for the job. Kitty has some real issues when it comes to authority. Never have I seen a community manager who did the complete opposite of building a community. If she's really the lowest status then I'll just wait for the other developers to replace her after they find out the person they put in charge. That's when I'll return.

I'm feeling a lot of entitlement around here. I'd personally prefer it if the devs responded to suggestions more often with "No, this won't be added" or "we'll consider this idea". That way there's no uncertainty, and you know that on a particular idea, you're wasting your time. Discussions on ideas that aren't going to be added just create more work for the devs, since they have to read everything anyway.

The problem is that there is no room for improvement of a particular idea. Ideas that are suggested aren't always good which is why the communities responses are needed to further refine it into a great suggestion. Saying no is not only rude, but it's not allowing room for improvement. Maybe during the discussion we could of instead talked about slightly tweaking the current UI into being more understandable. I can't say what would of came of the discussion, because it wasn't allowed to happen. It's one thing to say no to an idea, but it's another to abuse your powers as a forum admin and lock a thread that has broken no rules. This is practically tyranny. Forums aren't there to be used in this kind of manner, this is a place of discussion. 

One thing I'd like to point out is that you're criticizing a person here. Everything you say about somebody hurts them, so soften your criticisms a little. And Trenix, the issue with your last statement is that Kitty isn't the student, she's the CEO.

Many people keep talking about this mod like it's some kind of company or product, it's not. I'm simply saying that it doesn't matter who she think she is, you simply just don't act like that in the real world. Also people need to ease up with criticism sounding so demeaning, it's not. It's there to help not hurt, you're not going to impress everyone and everyone needs to understand that. Suppressing people who you don't agree with is flat out screwed up.

It's all "mine" mentality with Kitty. People give ideas and report bugs, only for all that to be claimed by someone who isn't even grateful for it nor believes that anyone had any part in it. We're doing the work of an average game tester and we're not even asking to be paid for it, just asking for some respect. You're either building the mod with the community or without it, if it's without it, then there really is no purpose of this forum. I honestly would love to go on the wiki and fix it from the ground up, so it could be understandable and finally up to date. But Kitty doesn't appear to be seeking help, she just wants to do everything on her own and it's taking a toll on her work. I'm also not going to put any effort in something that will be removed shortly afterwards or be taken without any gratitude.I wouldn't mind coming back if my suggestion was reopened and I stopped getting rude responses such as, "No, this won't be added". Not sure who you talk to but that type of attitude isn't acceptable anywhere in the real world. If you're still in school, then when your teacher gives you feedback about your work or a even presentation, go and tell them, "Yeah, I'm not going to change that" and you'll see what they'll say afterwards.

I honestly didn't want to single out Kittychanley, but I mind as well do it since it doesn't seem fair to the other developers which really had no part in it. She really is giving TerraFirmaCraft a bad name. This is such a great mod with so much potential and it's a real shame to have someone's egocentrism ruin the game's reputation. Take note that I'm not singling her out because she's a girl. I've seen her bring that up before on the forums so I'm telling you right now this has nothing to do with it. This has to do with being professional and respectful. I know how coding works, I've used to do it years ago but I was never afraid to scrap my work and I never got offended when people criticized me. It's not insulting and I'm not being ungrateful, but you can't expect to always be perfect.You need to be more open to other’s opinion, otherwise don’t make a suggestion section on your forums. That type of mentality is very corruptible, as you can already see by the abusive actions that have already been taken place. I’ve recently scrapped $200 of clothing because people didn’t like my designs. Now I can get angry at them for not liking my clothes or I can blame myself for making designs that people weren’t interested in. I honestly would love to blame them but let’s be realistic here, or should I say believable? How can I move forward with that state of mind? You see none of that would have happened if people were actually truthful and told me that I need to do things differently. Yet I welcome failure, because without failure you can never learn from your mistakes.But no hard feelings, I really don’t care. I got a whole pack of suggestions stored on my computer which were intended for vanilla Minecraft and could have been possibly adopted by this mod. Yet, what’s the point when the forum admin isn’t accepting of ideas? I’m not leaving because I’m hurt, I’m leaving because whether I’m on the forums or not, I don’t think it really matters. Kittychanley is narrow minded and isn’t capable of arguing with, it’s her word and that’s all. Once again I can careless if you're going to add my idea or not, but the community really didn't even have a say and we weren't even capable of discussion this feature like adults. That is the problem...

I'm not going to leave in a rant but I will just calmly leave with a few words. Hope you can understand rather than take me as an aggressor. Anyway, I truly feel the attitude of the developers is a little over the top. The best way to describe it is stubborn and conceded. You guys truly don't know how to build a community. When I or anyone else criticizes your work, you shouldn't take it so personal. That is a very childish way to act, you're supposed to welcome it even though you may not agree with it. It's there to help you not hurt you.This: http://terrafirmacraft.com/f/topic/7449-improved-meal-preparation-ui/Isn’t acceptable and it's pretty much the final straw for me. I put some effort in that and to just say no and lock my thread, was a rather harsh thing to do. It's just a flat out lack of manners and extremely unprofessional. Why bother even attempting to find bugs, suggest improvements, or even new ideas when you can do something so obnoxious. I don't think it's necessary for me to tell you how you should of acted, because I'm not here to be a parent. I've already been suspended before for something that wasn't even intentional, such as editing a post that the admin was in the process of editing, resorting in bringing back text that were supposedly against the rules. I was then read the policy like your mod is some type of big cooperation. Really?I also don't want to talk about the whole believability concept. As soon as I replaced realism to believability, no one questioned that aspect of my suggestions anymore. I'm sort of surprised how a simple manipulation can really turn the tables on here, it could be that maybe some of the developers are too young. I'm even more surprised how you could create a wiki that's been outdated for months and still ask for donations. Well anyway, good luck and you should really look into what I'm saying because it's only for the better. People will always criticize your work, unfortunately that’s the real world and if you’re going to block out every single criticism from people who aren’t your friends, you’re going to become a failure in life. Also please don’t get cocky with your mod’s popularity, it has unknown lag and the animals can't even walk properly. Wish the best! ~TrenixEdit: I'm actually extremely surprised that I wasn't suspended nor locked by posting this.

Because when I made the suggestion we weren't exploring the possibility of having both. I challenged that they should be made out of iron, since they would be too late game with too little reward. If they were to be made out of iron, I suggested some benefits that helped counter the fact that you have to wait a while to get it.

Why would they provide little reward? They should be better than all the meals we currently have because stews and soups would not only replenish hunger, but also thirst. No meal or food does that currently.

We could have both ceramic cauldrons and metal ones. The ceramic ones should take much longer for them to heat up before the water starts boiling.

The way I want stews and soups implemented...We would have to make a cauldron that's made out of metal. It would be able to contain a fuel source, water, and items. You would have to put water, the items you need to make your stew/soup, and a fuel source in the cauldron and then light it up. Once the cauldron boils the color of the water will change to looking like the particular stew/soup you made. To take the stew/soup out of the cauldron so you can eat it, you would need to hold an empty ceramic bowl and right click the cauldron. Each finished stew/soup will be enough to fill up 3 bowls.Here is the suggestion I've made for Minecraft to have a similar mechanic be added. Minecraft Suggestions Reddit: http://redd.it/1dzzy4

Keeping code very simple isn't the best way to go, it's why Minecraft is so boring. Majority of Minecrafts features either feel incomplete or lack depth. This type of change would be well worth the wait, even if it takes months. I know there are impatient people who want things updated as soon as possible so they ask for very simple things, but those things get boring very fast. Major releases is what keep games fresh and fun.

Have you ever had seaweed even? That stuff is salty. If anything it should negate thirst...speaking of which, why not? Imo it would be really neat if seaweed, salted meats and other certain foods gave a tiny decrease to your thirst bar, and then things like peaches etc would add a tiny bit. Nothing to big, only noticeable if you were eating it plain for whole day.

I was thinking the same thing. If foods starting doing this, then when soups or stews get implemented, their purpose would be to replenish both your hunger and your thirst.

I'm just relying on online sources, if you have some sort of evidence that crops will mature faster if watered then I'll believe you. I've been looking all around the internet and have found nothing so far. Yes the crops will be bigger if watered, but that's because of all of the water you gave them, they're simply absorbing it. That's just what plants do, they suck up the water and store it for later use when days get dry. The only time water will matter is when the crop doesn't have enough of it, so it begins dying. However it'll still technically continue to mature as it's dying.

The lack of water will make crops smaller, that is true, but not slow it's growth. When I was reading about dry farming, farmers do it intentionally because the more water your crops have, the bigger they get but the tastes of them gets more watered down. Eating a vegetable which was dry farmed, will be smaller but far more tastier. So it's not like the lack of water will delay the production of vegetable, it'll only make it bigger because it's absorbed more water. It might replenish your thirst more but I doubt it'll do much more for your hunger. That part is based on the nutrients in your soil.

If you plant crops near water/irrigate them, those plants will not be affected by seasonal droughts that hapen when there is no rain for a month or so. And without water crops don't grow. So actually planting near water/irrigating will make your crops grow faster most of the time, unless you have a very rainy season. At the same time crops without this will grow as well, only slower.And we don't irrigate all fields IRL becouse it is to expensive to do if you're far away from water source such as lake, many water sources such as rivers are polluted and would do no good for your crops, and space that contains farmland suitable for irrigation is finite and much much smaller than what we need.All in all the mechanic is believable enough, and while I liked the old mechanic better (in fact I thought it was still in place, but whatever ) I can clearly see the reasoning behind removing it.

There is no evidence that shows that crops wont grow from the lack of water and droughts don't really happen anywhere aside from deserts. If your crops are close to a water source, close being still miles away from it, your crops would pretty much be forever hydrated from what I've recently read into. In fact, over-watering can actually slow a crop's growth because it will suffocate it's roots and may eventually cause root rot. The lack of nutrients, light, and temperature are more things that contribute to the slowing of a plant's growth, but not water and it definitely doesn't make crops grow faster.

At the very least, allow us to covert the gold pan back to a ceramic bowl via crafting.

If all this is true, then mind as well just leave out the whole hydration concept. It's not like we're living in a desert for hydration to even matter anyway. Also water doesn't actually make crops grow faster, so by keeping this irrigation mechanic you're making it become mandatory. Why would we plant anywhere away from water when it'll be less efficient?

The word pan basically says that the object is made out of metal.

 

Last I checked, "pan" meant "many", not "metal". Besides, most gold pans these days are made of plastic. Also, more and more cooking pans are now made of ceramics (and crushed diamonds).

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pan?s=t

You know.... I don't know about you, but I don't think I would like to eat from a bowl that I've been dumping sand and gravel into.

Plus, a salad bowl and gold-panning bowl are different. A salad bowl will not make a very good gold pan.

I would, it's how you save resources and people aren't very sanitary in survival situation anyway. Nor where they sanitary during the time when people were creating settlements in the new world. How would you know if a salad bowl wouldn't be good to use as a gold pan, it's practically the same thing.

Gold pans need a way to trap the heavy ore bits while you swish it around in the water. A salad bowl doesn't. Just pretend you I dunno, mold a bowl that has already been fired.

Why can't a ceramic bowl do the same? That's the purpose of the gravel/sand. 

Also, this is a gold pan, not a frying pan. They can be made of ceramic, and they can also be made of wood. Or plastic. Or anything really.

And I never saw the gold pan as a metal, just a darker color of ceramic.

The word pan basically says that the object is made out of metal. If I were to ask someone to get me a pan, they're not going going to hand me a ceramic bowl.

In Canada, it is often quite cold (Where I live water temperature is below freezing 9 months per year. It's meltwater from the mountains). If you plunge your head into the water, you're most likely going to catch hypothermia.

There is a difference between dunking your head into water and putting your face in it.

I will agree with that reasoning, but with a single exception.

 

If a new topic is created solely to breathe life into discussion that has already taken place in an older thread, then those older threads need to be linked at the very top of the new topic. I am also going to throw in a 6 month rule as that seems to be the common amount of time between major releases lately. I.E. You may create a new topic, which links to an older topic, to breathe new life into the discussion if, and only if, the very last post in the older topic is at a bare minimum 6 months old. Obviously, this one single topic can have an exception to the 6 month rule.

 

The whole point of encouraging necros rather than a new topic was to stop the duplicate discussions that kept happening. If duplicate discussions start popping up again, and the feeling of the suggestions forum simply become a place to beat a dead horse returns, the old rules will be put back in place.

If I'm going to be forced to link a bunch of old threads to start a new thread, I mind as well just write in the old thread. This idea is also going to cause a lot of necroing, causing more duplicates to appear, making it counteractive. Why not just auto lock threads which are 6 months old?

But this is the equivalent to converting an axe from a tool to a weapon. There is no need for this process, an axe should be both a tool and a weapon. Why would I need to covert it into a weapon when it already can be considered a weapon? It's the same with a ceramic bowl, while you can now call it a gold pan, it's still ultimately a ceramic bowl since that's what it's made out of. The only problem is, you can't convert it back into a ceramic bowl. So now the tool has became a waste of resource during mid-game because of a concept that really doesn't make any sense. Aside from that, pans are containers that are made out of metal, they're not ceramic. You can even see the icon change from being ceramic into becoming a metal, it's just really confusing and makes little sense, for what reason? What kind of sorcery is this?

Yes I have. I grew pumpkins on the side of that very same hill, and they turned out quite well. If there's enough water to grow a tree, it's dollars to donuts that you can grow crops as well.

I read into dry farming and you're right it is possible. However it's challenging and involves a lot of luck. All crops will behave differently in those conditions and you're always on the edge with them. Even location matters, so every spot will act differently. Lets say that it doesn't rain for a while, there goes your whole field. Maybe instead of stopping your crops from growing from the lack of water, they would instead have a chance of dying, yielding nothing. Therefore you could get away with dry farming your crops, but you're putting them at risk for doing so. 

I don't know if the forum admins would agree with this, but:

 

There's a difference between suggesting something that has already been suggested and necroing a year old thread. When you revive a thread such as this one, you're doing the idea a disservice. The people who started the thread are likely long gone, so they won't be pitching in. New people aren't going to be in the mood to read the entire thing. I think your best bet would be to start a fresh thread, where you take the good ideas from the old thread and breathe new life into them. That way you have a more organized opening post that clearly lists all the ideas so that less reading inclined people can get an idea of where the discussion currently stands. There's a reason that new threads appear at the top of the list, and old threads fade away. The community had nothing more to say. If you feel like a topic bears more discussion, then do us all a favour and make a new thread so that we don't have to read a year+ old conversation. Not to mention that after a year, the game has gone through radical changes. The balancing concerns we had back then might not even be relavant now.

I agree with you entirely, but kittychanley has been locking my threads because some of my ideas have already been suggested. I also don't like the idea of reading through an old suggestion's thread, it's off-putting.