Combat Overhaul cont. (2/3)

[darthdave78 2]

What if each shield was upgradeable (with the overworked enchanting/upgrade system?) It would be nice to see more shields too. Maybe shields made out of different metals would be lighter/heavier?

Upgrade Tree:

Wicker Shield -> (non upgradeable)

Leather Shield (think Native American or Zulu) -> Reinforced (With wood)

Caetra -> Studded Hoplon

Scutum -> Thureos -> Bossed Thureos (Big metal bulge in middle)

Wood Bucker (A big viking buckler) -> Studded Buckler -> Plated Bucker

Studded Targe -> Plated Targe -> Full Bronze Targe

[Jed1314 420]

What if each shield was upgradeable (with the overworked enchanting/upgrade system?) It would be nice to see more shields too. Maybe shields made out of different metals would be lighter/heavier?

Upgrade Tree:

Wicker Shield -> (non upgradeable)

Leather Shield (think Native American or Zulu) -> Reinforced (With wood)

Caetra -> Studded Hoplon

Scutum -> Thureos -> Bossed Thureos (Big metal bulge in middle)

Wood Bucker (A big viking buckler) -> Studded Buckler -> Plated Bucker

Studded Targe -> Plated Targe -> Full Bronze Targe

I had contemplated all you have, but I looked at it and decided it would be better to keep the shields in line with other things in the game. Sure, if things start moving towards the very complex, your suggestion would be great, but as it stands, it's better to keep everything to preestablished standards, so people understand it better

[Deathbytac0 46]

I agree. There should be a huge variety though, pikes (3x reach), glaive (slashing spear), mace and chain (very low damage but negates armor 90% for that hit and next hit with another weapon), and all those... don't make me pull up all three Mount & Blades to look up everything lol. I would like the stamina bar though, and a complete GUI overhual. Tempering metal would be an awesome feature to increase speed or damage. Varieties of armor need to be added such as light armor (red steel chainmail) giving us room for things like encumbrance, especially a weight based inventory.

[Scooterdanny 285]

Random question here... is it even possible to affect the hit distance of a weapon? if not, it would render things like pikes much less useful

[Serkas 14]

Just a side question: When the topic comes to blocking I always wonder how it is usefull ingame: Why block damage from a mob, if you can simply step back while hitting him? Will you add some sort of short pause while striking with a sword for example? Because the vanilla sword blocking never made sence for me since you can simply keep your distance and even if you block you just get slowed and the mob can punch at you endlessly so your only way is stoping to block.

[Deathbytac0 46]

Just a side question: When the topic comes to blocking I always wonder how it is usefull ingame: Why block damage from a mob, if you can simply step back while hitting him? Will you add some sort of short pause while striking with a sword for example? Because the vanilla sword blocking never made sence for me since you can simply keep your distance and even if you block you just get slowed and the mob can punch at you endlessly so your only way is stoping to block.

Skeletons. Sword blocking is really stupid though, even then it's never made sense nor have I used it. There will be better mobs though, also it adds to realism. With new mobs you never know what you may want to block, take werewolves(my favorite and most feared mod, as dunkleosteus can probably tell) from Mo' Creature for example. You can't run from them, usually you die because you don't carry gold swords.

[Jed1314 420]

I agree. There should be a huge variety though, pikes (3x reach), glaive (slashing spear), mace and chain (very low damage but negates armor 90% for that hit and next hit with another weapon), and all those... don't make me pull up all three Mount & Blades to look up everything lol. I would like the stamina bar though, and a complete GUI overhual. Tempering metal would be an awesome feature to increase speed or damage. Varieties of armor need to be added such as light armor (red steel chainmail) giving us room for things like encumbrance, especially a weight based inventory.

Ah, a fellow M+B fan I would love to have been able to suggest a much more comprehensive weapon system. I can think of literally hundreds of weapons, a large number of which perform functions which are distinct from one another. Unfortunately, I feel that would be too complex for a mod like this, which is aimed at total overhaul, not combat overhaul specifically. The armour and such I did cover in my "Combat overhaul 3/3" thread

Skeletons. Sword blocking is really stupid though, even then it's never made sense nor have I used it. There will be better mobs though, also it adds to realism. With new mobs you never know what you may want to block, take werewolves(my favorite and most feared mod, as dunkleosteus can probably tell) from Mo' Creature for example. You can't run from them, usually you die because you don't carry gold swords.

I like this. By making the mobs faster than the player, you could prevent the ridiculous "run backwards and spam clickly" strategy which MC combat devolves into.

[bsb23 303]

We just need something to prevent from spam clicking if we get that done we have accomplished a ton already.

[Scooterdanny 285]

What could be done, is up the damage on swings, but also cause them to exhaust you quickly, i mean how many times can you swing a sword without becoming dead tired?

Re-read the OP, and saw you thought way ahead of me, even in merging the stamina from SM Bravo Jed.

Edited 14 Aug 2012 by Scooterdanny

[kinjirurm 1]

Fun idea, but very complex. I'd personally rather see dev done on other features such as the civilization stuff Bioxx has mentioned.

[Scooterdanny 285]

Kingdoms in Beta phase 3, this is still in phase 2, so all things of this nature will be completed probably before he moves onto that.

[Jed1314 420]

Kingdoms in Beta phase 3, this is still in phase 2, so all things of this nature will be completed probably before he moves onto that.

Maybe not.. This is supposed to focus on agriculture. I'd rather wait for a while and have like phase 4/5 as a combat overhaul patch .. Of course I'd see it sooner than later

[Scooterdanny 285]

Of course, i need mah crossbows! and thank you for the correction Jed.

[Jed1314 420]

Of course, i need mah crossbows! and thank you for the correction Jed.

Crossbows and better bows and such I presume you've seen my ranged overhaul and such

[Scooterdanny 285]

Have, and loved every bit, i am all for basically every suggestion you make, you and i have similar tastes XD

[dunkleosteus 2,425]

since these functions seem to be more on the mob side of things (you can't hit infrastructure with an axe) I think I might be the one to handle the combat changes. Like I said, I've looked into it before. Of course, I'm finishing the animals first, but I would get around to it. It also frees Bioxx up to work on other things.

[Jed1314 420]

since these functions seem to be more on the mob side of things (you can't hit infrastructure with an axe) I think I might be the one to handle the combat changes. Like I said, I've looked into it before. Of course, I'm finishing the animals first, but I would get around to it. It also frees Bioxx up to work on other things.

I remember you talking about plans to change the combat system a while back, they sounded good and I was pretty satisfied with them.

Obviously you should get the bits you're meant to be working on now done first I take the view that there's not much that could possibly be done to the combat system to make it any worse, so any change will probably be a good one, and it will be appreciated no matter how long it takes to get around to it :P

[Scooterdanny 285]

Agreed

[antimattergizmo 41]

Would that change have anything to do with what looks like vein textures on the new deer? (Because that would be so tops if it wasn't just a texture)

Edit: I really need to pry off the parenthesis keys on my keyboard

[Scooterdanny 285]

Wait, what about the "vein" textures? i'm a bit lost.

[antimattergizmo 41]

I saw on the thread where Dunk posted a preview of deer that the side texture that wasn't mirrored right looked black with a red strip. I put my hop vest on and made myself believe in was a cardiovascular system

[Scooterdanny 285]

oh lol, i see

[antimattergizmo 41]

Almost successfully necro'd with a derail, huzzah!

[dunkleosteus 2,425]

Almost successfully necro'd with a derail, huzzah!

you can ask rogue about that, he textured the deer. i think it's just do you know what part of the texture is what.

*the un mirrored part

[antimattergizmo 41]

I can dream Harold!