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  1. Snapping Turtle

    Let's not do ridges on the tail, especially full thickness ones. Let's save that for more monstrous creatures (and maybe alligators). But if you want to go for alligator snapper and try some rotated corner-up boxes on the back of the shell, rather than the dome, I'd go for that. If the shell isn't the turtle's icon, I don't know what is.
  2. Whitetail Deer

    I'll try the raised neck tonight. If you're talking about the thinner parts of his front legs, with regards to two segments, that was how Krono's caribou was made, so I just left them. It'll only ever come into play if we do some fancier animating. Right now you can assume that legs will be animated as one rigid piece, rotating at the shoulder.
  3. Whitetail Deer

    Whitetail Deer model (based on Krono's caribou model), with buck and doe textures. I think maybe just use Konlii's Roe fawn for the whitetail fawn as well, if we're having fawns. Deer_Whitetail.MCModel
  4. Snapping Turtle

    Ha, that is cute. I'd take that thin lighter-green box on the bottom - which mostly won't be visible at all - and put it on the top as a slight dome to the shell. Neck box seems a bit odd at the color it is. Is there a reason it doesn't match the body or the shell? And did you try it without the neck box? It probably doesn't need it. It'd be needed if the head were going to be animated to snap forward, but at this point I don't think that's likely. The tooth/beak, I'd suggest turning it 45 degrees so it's point-down. That might make him look a bit more threatening. I get that their eyes are yellow, but without the pupil (and I'm not saying to put one in) it seems a bit weird to me, like he's a zombie or something. I think maybe just normal black for the eye might be better. I'm not on my MCMC computer right now, so can't comment on the technical details at the moment. Also go ahead and re-post the shark model here, so we have it in this forum.
  5. Skill Books and Tech tree

    So ok, that idea covers books that temporarily boost skill xp gain. Which are reasonable to let the player craft, since they're time-limited and as proposed, skill-level limited. That provides a lot of breadth of need, which is good for SMP. Another type of book might provide a direct benefit to products of skilled trades. This would make more sense with some trades than with others (cooking more so, smithing less, magic definitely), but so for instance rather than 'using' the book and having it disappear, the player puts the book on a shelf. And it perhaps takes many books to get a significant bonus. And the higher your tier, the more books it takes. So the player has some bookcases, in range of their process block of whatever type, and being in that range with X books provides a certain percent benefit to the finished products. So it only works on skills that affect finished products. Their smithing for instance would get a small smithing bonus boost on their tools and weapons. This is explained as, the player having detailed manuals nearby helps them produce better items, vs going from memory. To balance it though, the books get used up. So they have a durability which goes down each time they contribute to a item bonus. This could be rationalized as the books being used so much they eventually fall apart. Also, the books have tiers, and they must be of a higher tier than the player's skill to provide benefit to that player's skill's product. In single player, the player finds these books as loot. In SMP, perhaps players are allowed to make them, and sell them to other players. So there are two methods of obsolescence - either the player uses them so much they fall apart, or the player eventually advances to the next tier and no longer gets the benefit from the book, since they now innately know the knowledge it contains. Similar to Stroam's mechanic, The benefit is greatest for a book just one tier above the player's skill. No benefit for lower, maybe reduced benefit for 2 tiers higher, and no benefit for tiers higher than that - it's just too complicated for the player to grasp. So mechanically I imagine this as, the player produces an item that has a skill-based bonus potential. Scan a 7x7 area around the player for bookshelves. Player's relevant skill tier is 2. They have 10 tier 1 books (do not contribute), 10 tier 2 (each adds +2) 8 tier 3 (each adds 1) and 6 tier 4 (do not contribute). So the player has 28 points of contributing books within range. At tier 2, they maybe have to have 25 points worth of contributing books, so they get the bonus. At tier 4, maybe they have to have 100 points of contributing books. But all the books will have to be tier 5 (max tier) and each one only contributes 2 points (for being 1 tier above the player's skill). So not only do the amounts required go up, but the rarity of high tier books is more. SO it gets harder and harder to get a library bonus at upper skill tiers. Or not. The contributing points requirement could remain the same, so just book rarity contributes to difficulty. That might be reasonable if the books are used up over time. There could be special loot-only tomes that contribute extra amounts, no matter the player tier, to spice things up. They could in effect be 'masterwork' books, and the player only has a chance to produce them at tier 5 skill, and even then only a small percent chance. As long as they get used up, it should be balance-able. So ya, that's another option for beneficial books.
  6. Skill Books and Tech tree

    Well, what I was suggesting was in the context of having the combination of your skill decay suggestion, and my skill points suggestion, from that other thread. My skill points suggestion was that the player gains skill points at some rate. Maybe one per level, maybe one every 4 levels. Kind of depends on how many skills the game ends up with. And it could be configurable. So for single player, if the player doesn't want to deal with skill decay, then just configure it to give them enough skill points to lock in all the skills they want. On the other hand, in a SMP environment, the gain rate could be set rather low, to encourage players working together and specializing in different skills. Or decay rate could be configured, as low as 0 if the player doesn't want skill decay. Then it wouldn't matter how many points the player gets because there would be no decay. If both point gain and decay rate were configurable, the game could be adjusted to anywhere from 'easy mode' to some sort of default, to fast-decay-low-point for SMP. The point being, you can only use that to 'lock in' all skills at max if the player gets enough skill points to do that, so you adjust the gain rate to avoid that (if that's the desired outcome). So if there's 10 skills at max 5 ranks, that's a max of 50 ranks. Give the player a skill point every two levels, and they'll only have 25 skill points at level 50 (you only get a point for a given milestone once. If you lose levels and then reach it again, you do not re-gain the point, unless you also lose the point at the same time as levels). The idea being this makes the player choose if they want to focus in a few skills and lock them in at max, or lock in all skills at a mid-level. That was the idea in a nutshell, and I was just tying in the books as the mechanism that does the locking-in. So you have to have an available skill point AND an appropriate book, to lock that rank in. Either way, I really like this skill books idea.
  7. Skill Books and Tech tree

    More use for paper and SMP enhancement, I like it! So regarding the first sentence I quoted, it is a temporary buff? Can you only have one skill book 'in effect' at a time? Or do bonuses stack (with reducing effectiveness of course)? If temporary, is it time-based, or active until you reach a new rank/read a different book? Regarding second quoted sentence, what are you meaning by 'skill cap'? The max rank achievable? Is the 'difference between skill levels' a difference in rank, or in actual xp numbers? Because I'm pretty sure the xp is non-linear. And in TFC1 there were only like, 4 or 5 ranks right? Alternatively (or in addition) if the notion of decaying skill levels were a thing, and the player gained skill points upon leveling, which they'd use to 'lock in' skills so they don't decay beyond a certain point, these books could be required to do the locking in.
  8. [0.2.4] TFC2 Prerelease

    I did feel like some islands had thicker forests, that were obscuring rivers a lot on the map. I was mostly doing flyover though so I can't speak to the internal experience. I thought it seemed like a positive change, from the air. They would of course probably have a lot of mobs. But that just makes them the 'deep dark' woods, as opposed to the lighter more habitable woods. It'd be cool if the game knew which cave openings were in such woods, and put a bear or whatever there, with some lair treasure. I guess that's for the set-piece suggestions, whenever it's time for those.
  9. [0.2.4] TFC2 Prerelease

    Spawned on a desert island (I support this but didn't know if it was intended for starter island), and also found two portals one hex apart. World Seed: [2560432034865553598] | IslandMap: [0,-2] | PlayerPos: [BlockPos{x=1239, y=86, z=-6505}] I was also not sure if this was undesireable. I kind of like it, as from a SMP town perspective, I would think controlling two portals would be very desirable, even though that spot didn't have that great of water resources or anything. Makes for an interesting choice; good resources, or two portals in one town? Then, finally found what I assume is the revised spire generation! World Seed: [2560432034865553598] | IslandMap: [1,-3] | PlayerPos: [BlockPos{x=5685, y=169, z=-10341}] Althought strangely the island features list didn't say anything about spires (guess that's a teleport problem?). This happened a couple times actually. I think these spires are better, but they're pretty uniform. It might be nice if they could have some random character added to them. Maybe the points off-center, and thicker or thinner at the apex? Maybe adjacent spires can interact and form mass and arches between themselves? Btw anyone that might go to this seed and this spot in the screenshot, there's another group of shorter spires to the south of these ones. I also found instances where there were just 2 or 3, rather than lots. Then, at World Seed: [2560432034865553598] | IslandMap: [1,-3] | PlayerPos: [BlockPos{x=5757, y=145, z=-10680}] found a strange river, that went from 5 wide at top of cliff, to 8 wide at the bottom, for like 1 hex, and then down to 3 wide. Wasn't sure if this was trying to simulate a waterfall pool, or what. This island was pretty cool btw. Sharper Mountains definitely seems to have been improved! And in general I don't think I saw a single garden. So not sure if that needs another look now?
  10. Shark guards would probably be more of a feasability if you were building a ship-base, or Waterworlding it. Which sadly, if what stroam says is true, won't be an option in the current generation. If this comes to pass - not being able to enter deep ocean - hopefully the shallow portion is extended beyond just a 1-wide strip. Or maybe a medium-deep hex is added. It'd be a shame to forbid people from building pirate ships offshore.
  11. [0.2.4] TFC2 Prerelease

    I noticed that when you pick up food from gardens, it does not automatically stack. You have to go in and manually place the piece on top of like pieces. It would be really nice if it would just stack on pickup. It also seemed like there was something glitchy about decay. It seemed like it was resetting every so often, but never when I was paying attention. I know it was not a matter of the top piece decaying and starting over, because it was not taking the full 30 minutes, and stack sizes weren't going down. I don't know if it had to do with me switching in an out of creative/survival, or what. Thought I'd mention it so maybe others could watch for it and tell if it's happening, and why.
  12. Current survival strategies

    I did actually find some clay by a lake yesterday. It was only along the edge, not in the bottom (I think maybe the lake generation 'ate' most of it). So not easy to see from the air. I only found it incidentally. But apparently it does spawn around the edges of lakes, at least. A temporary and very situational tip for finding gardens - if you use mapwriter, the grass and leaves and anything that uses a greyscale texture to 'biome-match' color shows up as shades of grey on the map. But pam's gardens (and vanilla flowers and trees and stuff) have color. So you can actually find the shady and soggy gardens on the map without too much trouble. Shady are a green pixel, soggy dark brown. breezy gardens seem to use a light colored pixel, and are pretty hard to spot amongst the grey. I haven't paid enough attention to the others to tell. But shady and soggy are pretty good. It seems like they show up once every 50 hexes-ish? Soggy often in groups of 2 or 3. very near together. So there's actually a fair amount around now. Obviously this will probably eventually be obsoleted. But for now it works.
  13. Ostrich

    What can we do? Africa just has all the coolest animals. Best we've got left in northern hemisphere is moose, bears, and tigers. But ya, Alpha and I discussed this one quite a bit off-boards. I think it's ready to go as given here. Always welcome other contributor commentary of course.
  14. Current survival strategies

    I don't really play survival much - just to test features basically. I'm not trying to actually 'survive' yet, though the update that increased garden spawns did make that more viable than before. If I need to survive zombies I pillar up 2 high and kill them. Skeletons I run.
  15. Not sure what you mean by "read about mob implementation", but generally if you want to submit models for TFC2, you need to read the MCMC tutorial, and the TFC2 guidelines, In the guidelines post, it mentions you're expected to contact me regarding this. You've bypassed that part, though your post does contain more general ocean discussion. So, in the interest of saving some time, and maybe educating other budding TFC2 modelers, here's my critique: As for the general notion of sharks, I'm all for them. Tony has a point about the shark attacks possibly being overwhelming if not controlled a bit. For instance only if the player has less-than-max health (is bleeding), or is carrying any raw meat. However, considering that there is intended to be as-yet-unspecified hard-coded measures against players swimming or boating between islands, to me it would make perfect sense to have instantly aggressive sharks near the island sector boundaries. Maybe limited to 'deep ocean' sectors, and expand the shallow ocean areas a bit. I would think the black tipped shark would be a good candidate for shallow, but not necessarily instantly aggressive, while a great white or something would be an instantly aggressive boundary-guarding mob. I don't know that the game necessarily *needs* more than a couple shark mobs, but if that's your thing and you want to help, I'm not going to stop you from making more. Just realize that they may or may not ever make it in the game, if they don't have a niche to fill.
  16. [0.2.4] TFC2 Prerelease

    Relogging did indeed fix it to show the correct island features list, which did not include spires. However I found another island (World Seed: [1361230909105481895] | IslandMap: [1,0] | PlayerPos: [BlockPos{x=7233, y=115, z=2518}] Which did include spires in the list (along with gorges, valleys, AND canyons - made for some nice terrain). and once again, flew around and found nothing I could recognize as a spire. Relogged a couple times to make sure it was showing the right list. So, I still think some sort of biome map marker that would indicate some of the more 'unique' features would be a good idea.
  17. [0.2.4] TFC2 Prerelease

    type in "/pi biome name" where "name" is whatever you want the name of the map to be. It will create a png of that name in the base appdata/roaming/.minecraft directory.
  18. Current survival strategies

    I've only seen it along river banks myself, not in swamps or lakes yet. Which doesn't mean it isn't in those places, I just haven't seen it. I find that it appears maybe once every 10-15 hexes along rivers? So once along average size rivers, it seems like. More on very long ones. But I haven't made a scientific survey of it yet; ymmv.
  19. Make knapping a bit more... interesting

    I don't know, I don't want to have to restart knapping 10 times (or whatever) to have to find a suitable rock. It'd just be random, so you could just have two rocks, and open and close the knapping grid until you get the right shape. Either that, or a 'seed' would be stored on he player, which would dictate which rock they are getting, until they 'use up' that shape. Either way I feel like it'd be more frustrating than anything. But, what I *would* like to see is a rule that you can only knap a box that has at least one side 'exposed', either to the edge of the grid, or to a previously knapped square. This would at least force the player to start from the outside and work inward, rather than wherever they want, including inside-out. And would make knapping slightly different from the clay interface, where you can just start anywhere. And maybe if the player tries to start from the 'inside', it immediately ruins the rock. If this became a rule though, there might need to be some feedback when the player tries to knap an internal square. If it doesn't break the rock immediately, it might need to return a message like 'you must start from the edges'. And maybe a noise. Otherwise if nothing happens, the might think there's a bug. If starting from inner areas immediately ruins the rock, a similar message, to let the player know why their rock broke.
  20. Bug catching and Bee keeping

    Bees and apiculture have been suggested several times (here being perhaps the most recent and thorough). It can be tied into a lot of products and mechanical game benefits, so that one probably has the best chance. As for bugs for bug-collecting's sake, I'm going to guess most people (me included) would say that's good for a mod, but not really core TFC2. I mean I like it, I'm a collector at heart, and I want there to be dinosaur/monster fossils to collect and reconstruct the skeletons of, but similarly it just won't contribute anything to any core mechanics. I'd rather see stuff that contributes to core game mechanics.
  21. Saws & Sawmills

    Have you read, understood, and followed all of the rules listed in large text at the top of the suggestions forum?(Yes/No): YES So, in light of the recent discussions regarding encumbrance and how that could advance a more fully realized world, I thought it might be worth discussing how progression of lumber making might work within that context. I considered adding this in the log chopping thread, but I think that is more concerned about how lumber works in the early game, and the notion of getting lumber before saws. I guess what I'm wondering is, if people are wiling to trade lumber convenience, for a an actual tech tree in wood processing? Right now you get a copper saw, it's kind of the same result progression-wise as a blue steel saw. They both make lumber just as fast. The blue has more durability, but even a copper saw lasts a long time. Hand Saw Tiers & Lumber I think much of this has to do with the use of the grid to get lumber. It's instant. If lumber creation were moved to block-breaking instead of the grid, it could be gradated over the tech tree. This could be done by requiring a cut log (as opposed to natural logs, which trees are composed of, and which it is my understanding are a different block from cut logs) to be placed horizontally. Then the player used a saw on it in a block-breaking fashion. So here a copper saw can be made to take longer. By having some fair amount of time difference between logs, the game could incentivize higher tier metal saws somewhat. But, can it be made that higher tier metals yield more lumber per log? It would be an even more significant incentive if copper saw yielded, say, 2 lumber per log, bronze 4, iron 6, steel+ 8. The time difference is more logical though. If variable yield on block breaking is not possible, perhaps higher tier tools will break multiple logs at once, like felling a tree, but governed by tier. So copper breaks just one, bronze 2 logs, iron 3, etc. But the logs have to all be touching in a line, end to end. Sawmills Then, there is the notion of a sawmill. Maybe it's not necessary, if we have tiered lumber yield from handsaws. But, if TFC is ever to have power and mechanisms and that fun stuff in the game, I think it'll need to have things like Sawmills. Either "knock and drop" style if looking to stay 14th century, or circular if willing to stretch things a bit (or both, with circular going faster?) One benefit of a sawmill could be in quantity. They could be the top of current tfc 1 production - meaning they convert 1 log to 8 lumber, while handsaws maybe max out at 4 or 6. Or they could be above and beyond current production levels, producing more than 8 lumber from one log - presumably varying by tier of blade. Perhaps sawmill blades start at steel though, and move up. No low-tech mill blades. The other benefit could be time. It could be done the easy hopper way - the player tosses logs into the mill (or hopper above the mill), which automatically cuts them over time, outputs them into a chest. And bonus if a minecart can be made to dump the logs directly into the hopper. Or a bit more fidelity to rl could re required, with the player lining them up in log-fashion in front of a blade, and having the saw blade move to cut them. If logs are extra-heavy, it could be made to incentivize sawing of the logs on site, rather than transporting them back home. Though that may be a bit hard to balance with tiered progression. In the current game, if a plank block weighs 1 stone, then the log would have to weigh 3 stone to make it at all advantageous to saw on site. If 4 plank blocks per log can be gotten via sawmill, logs would have to weigh even more to incentivize sawing on site. The early game use of logs would have to be kept in mind of course. If logs weighed 3 stone each, that would be 48 stone per stack. 4 stacks would leave 64 stone for other items. But really a starting player should be able to get by with 1 stack of logs anyway. There's also the possibility of an unintended effect of stone and bricks becoming easier to get than plank blocks, which may not be desirable. Plank blocks are used a ton in many buildings, so I'm sure many people wouldn't love this. But, I think it plays into the notion of a better realized world, so I thought it was worth discussing.
  22. Saws & Sawmills

    A couple concerns. One, what happens with plants in the area? 24 logs take up a pretty large area even if they're allowed to all be adjacent. will plants in he area be obliterated? popped off as drops? I'd have to lose flowers and stuff to logging, even if it is realistic. Second, what about cases where a tree is on a cliff, or in a swamp? In a swamp, if the logs are allowed to place down in water, you risk obliterating lot of water source blocks (unless void states are a thing). They could of course 'float' above I suppose. On a cliff, you'd probably end up with a lot of logs hanging in the air strangely Id imagine, or losing sections in the cliff face, or falling upward. Unless it can be coded to only position them downslope, and maybe they can pile on top of each other? Sounds complicated and error prone to me, but idk. What if the log made debris piles, and the dropped objects didn't automatically place, but when placed by the player were the described 3-5 long blocks. Then they'd 'flow' downhill in item piles, and the player would have to 'dig' them up, and place them. And the rules would only allow them to be placed on flat areas with room for them. They'd be so heavy the player would be immobilized, and have to either immediately put them in a conveyance, or on the ground. Seems like that would avoid a lot of complication in code-placing the logs, popping off tons of plants, and obliterating tons of water source blocks.
  23. Piles

    Wouldn't fermentation be better handled via large vessels and barrels? And while storing potatoes in piles might be fine in terms of realism, it complicates the code and most importantly, shortcuts any kind of prep-work required on the player's behalf. I think it's better for gameplay to require the player to do at least a little work to preserve their food, regardless of what's 'realistic' for a certain type.
  24. [0.2.4] TFC2 Prerelease

    Was down in the tropics and found a 'desert' island that had no sand at all. It appeared low moisture in color, but had large kapoks in abundance. The biome map shows rivers and lakes everywhere. I wasn't sure if this was as intended, or what. The big kapoks just seem kind of not-desert-y to me. I expected kapoks to be limited to higher moisture areas. On a separate note, I was flying around this island looking for the 'spires' feature to find the re-written spires generation, but I never saw anything I would recognize as a spire (though by no means did I cover every inch of the map). Are spires an extremely localized feature now? It would probably be useful if a little bit more detail could be added to the biome map, maybe in the form of dots in the center of the hexes. Maybe white for 'man-made' (like dungeons), and black for 'natural'. Just those two for now, to keep things simple. Then I could have looked at the biome map, looked for black dots in the middle of some hexes, and went and took a peek. Maybe spires, maybe the small crater. But it'd still help me find the features faster that just randomly flying around the island. Dungeons could even be whole-hex colored, like the portals. They're rare enough they wouldn't really obscure the underlying biomes. But I would assume that some geographic features may be wide-spread enough to obscure the biomes excessively.
  25. Roe Deer

    Not sure the black side-of-muzzle pixel on the bottom, two pixels away from the end is necessary. I think the two directly adjacent are plenty. But otherwise ya, I like it.