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      Hey All, A topic has come up of late in the IRC channel in regards to the general feel of the forums and the community that supports them. Things have progressed further than I would have liked with out this being addressed more publicly because I would much rather have snubbed this out sooner rather than later.. but I have been busy. Here is the general rule I would like people to follow: Wheaton's Law "Don't be a dick." Those of you from the IRC channel know that this is the only rule I ask people in there to follow and we generally have a good and lively time chatting about all manner of things. This is basic rule that just about everyone understands and I am going to expand it to the forums from here moving forward. If you can not help people in a helpful and polite manner then I simply ask you to stop. Now I generally take a back seat to moderating the forums as I like to participate in the suggestions forum fairly heavily at times and would rather do so as a forums user than a moderator. But I am also fairly well known for being the person who constantly puts their foot down and so I am stepping up and doing so on here. If you find yourself unable to respond to a message politely then I ask that you do not respond. This mostly focuses on the increasing level of hostility found within the Suggestion forum as well as the Server forum. I do not care if this is the 30th some odd time you have seen someone make the same suggestion. Or even if the new post on an older topic is one entry above the old one. I expect the members of this forum to respond politely to the user, new or old, and point to the older topic if it applies and even go the extra step to suggest they either add in new information or to summarize the outcome of the previous discussion based upon the new post's entry into it. That is what we are here for, that is why I close most topics instead of deleting them, so that they can be found and referenced down the road. The next topic is the slew of derailment attempts I have seen as of late. If you want to have fun and joke around that is what the off topic forum is for and pretty much anything goes there. I do not expect to read a suggestion thread and have to go through 3 pages of image memes people have shot back and forth. Quite simply this is a waste of my time to read and then have to clean up. Now for the summary. I am going to start taking a more active role, especially in policing the suggestion forum, and handing out warn levels to people whom I see doing this. These will be indiscriminate and applied not to just the first person who derails or is impolite on a topic or response, but to everyone whom follows the lead of that person. As I do not like doing things with out giving you all warning this post shall serve as that warning. If you have a desire to bring this topic up with me then I invite you to do so on the IRC channel. Lets raise the level of quality and grow the community. Let us not descend into the quality often found on the minecraft or league of legend forums. There is simply no need for that here. Be passionate about things, just do not be abusive.
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      Offline Servers

      Recently I've seen a few server listings showing up on the first page of the Servers forum that have been closed for an extended period of time, but have recently gotten a reply from a new member who didn't realize the server is offline. To help prevent this from happening in the future, it would be greatly appreciated if you could use the report function on the original post of any servers that have been confirmed as offline, so that the topic may be locked. If you are the admin of a server and plan on taking the server offline, please use the report function on the original post of your topic to let the TFC Staff know that the topic should be locked. If you are the admin of a server that has a locked topic, and would wish to bring the server back online, please use the report function on the original post of the topic to let the TFC Staff know that the topic should be unlocked. As always, please remember to follow rule #3 of the servers forum and update your topic title to contain the version of TFC that the server is currently running. You can do so by editing the OP, and then clicking on "Use Full Editor."

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  1. Fish, invterabrates, and other search and shore animals

    May I ask how is not believable gate the progress of technologies because of better materials? Is not that you cannot fish without metal tools. Pick a pair of stone, make a lance and try your luck... or you can do it it sharp pieces of wood. In game that would be represented as maybe one wood tool from the beginning or maybe a stone spear. But there is a limitation of where you can fish with a spear... you cannot fish with a spear in some places, or it would require a lot of luck to do it (and let not touch the durability of the spear andhitting a rock with it). But witha piece of string and a tiny piece of metal in the shape of a hook and you can fish deeper and faster, you can change spots much more easily that you can do with a spear. The same applies to the tools to make different traps. Some stone tools are extremely sharp and can be used to carve wood easily, but the durability is another factor. Metals tools came to revolutionized every piece of technology made from stone. Easier to handle, more durable and with the capability of making more complex things. It is not "gated" per-se, you can easily ignore the progression of the metal tiers and catch fishes with rudimentary equipment (talking about TFC2). On the other hand, creating better tools and improving the technology with the acquiring of better materials is believable, I even dare to say that it would be realistic.
  2. As far as I read in the Magic (link bellow)thread the consensus seems to be the idea of having to research for spells and magic techniques, but I haven't read any pro and con of each system (research and innate knowledge). If magic is still on the table, what is the consensus from the developers about how we get it? Is it too soon to ask this? From my point of view, I see that the Innate knowledge is better than the research one, mainly because I feel that it is usually used to extend gameplay where is not needed. It is like wanting to research metallurgy before you start working with metals in TFC1. It makes that the progression stagnate and the actual usefulness of magic is diminished. For an example in the offensive side of magic, Thaumcraft, if my memory serves me right, you can start using "magic" as soon as you reach iron, but you can start to shoot fire after you reach and "beat" the Nether... where everything is immune to fire... where Ice magic would be an asset in dealing with the Nether (and you get Ice magic after you get fire, so). It feels like magic in Thaumcraft is a reward from defeating X objective instead of a tool to defeat X. Don't get me wrong, I like Thaumcraft, it is an amazing mod, but not a useful mod. Not after a lot of time and research (golems, for example). In this regard, and with the island progression theme in TFC2, I would rather have magic from Island 1 that would help me in defeating Island 2 than as a reward that would hadbeen useful to defeat Island 1 but kind of pointless in Island 2. Therefore, I think that Innate magic knowledge would be better for TFC2, or at most, a fast research system to encourage** the research of magic before dealing with the next Island/problem. What do you think? ** A system that encourage the use of it: As an example of a system that does not encourage the use of it would be World of Warcraft professions. At the moment, WoW has a professions system where you are encourage to train after you reach max level, ratherthan while you are leveling up. This is due the fact that in WoW, leveling is too fast for the profession to be useful at every level. In the similar fashion, thaumcraft magic system seems more like WoW profession, in which the progress is too fast for the research to be on par with it. As an example of encouragement, if thaumcraft had ice/water bases magic before reaching the Nether, it would encourage the research of Ice magic because, well, it would be useful.
  3. Magic: Research or Innate knowledge

    True, but that is if you look from the perspective of a single feature. For example, saying that having the ore tied with a stone type and not every "biome" have that stone type is to cater to explorer, since it is literally having you (the player) to explore the world (and you get rewarded).TFC1 as a whole cater to both types of players... one a bit more than the other, though. TFC2 has islands to explore and to conquer, that in itself is catering to both players: the explorers and the achievers. By the way, depending on how you focus the research it can cater to explorer or to achievers; too complex and hardbut not random enough and it would be an achievement to finish all the topics/talents but too mainstream to do it (and vice versa, a random but easy system would reward the feeling of exploration/research, but would not be an achievement since it'd be easy) Yup, I update my comment to reflect my lack of clearness. I know very well that, I am a developer. The context here is that making a piece of code consume time and, if the feature is not used or don't add something particularly deep to the game, is better not to do it. But, at the same time, that code with a little tweaks (andthe power of imagination) you can expand it to other features. In this regard, knaping and pottery that may share the same code is a perfect example of this... and also, it can be expanded a bit more to include other features that make sense. So... Right, but the sandwich making interface and mechanic can be re-styled and rewrittento make potions: put a bitof 'x' herb here, a bit of herb 'y' there, put a catalyst, aliquid base and instead of bread use a glass bottle, andyou have a potion. Instead of flavor you have three properties (healing, poison, neutral) and each property instead of having nutrition values it may have descriptorspotency, duration, and side effect (for neutral potions that would be, for example, a potion of swimming). And the weight system can alter the properties and descriptors of the potion based on the weight of the herbs andcatalystused. I fixed a bit more. The context is that develop a feature cost time, and if the feature is not good enough to worth the effort it is better to not do it. In this regard, the focus on an innate system, while boring in a principle, can free time to other features... like expanding the island progression or having classes or skills or better enemies (AI wise or otherwise). But, if the research system can be expanded to other things that are not just magic, it may be worth the time to develop it.
  4. Magic: Research or Innate knowledge

    I agree with you in your statements, ideas and positions in general. Just a few things to consider... thinking just about weapons: how do you balance melee vs range? sword vs bow? If we think in real life, bow is by far a superior weapon in most situations. It has range, it has speed and its deadly. The downside? It has ammunition, and in TFC that means you have to make them. It still the same dilemma, how you balance a weapon that require ammunition vs one that does not (ignoring durability, obviously)? The answer applies to magic too, and there is more than one answers. As you put it... it can be done by making magic do weird things, more focus on quality life and things like that, or to make the mobs weak and strong against type of attacks. But here it is the deal, I think that what we should looking is more to fulfill a fantasy rather than to balance the game (though I don't think that balance is not necessary). I've seen many players that just want to play a class that the enjoy, no mater how weak or strong it is... as long as the class fulfill the fantasy, though. Who does not want to be a knight? Or a Wizard? Or a wizard knight? Or an Arcane Archer? Or a thief? Or a bomber/grenadier? Or anaked two-handed axe-wielding barbarian gnome? I think that as long as the disparity on damage of the options are not that big, players will find their niche. For the research part. As long as is doable in single player (or toggleable) I think that research can be an interesting part of the mod, not only for magic, but for some other things. The thing with coding is that, once you have a piece of working code, changing a bit here and there to give it different flavors is not that hard... at least not as making it works. For example, let say that the devs have a working code of the knapping and pottery fromTFC1, and that both are made using the same base code. What stop the devs to use the same interface to expand it to handle magical runes made from stone and talismans made from carving wood? Yes, it would take time to create the texture and the new formulas, but is not like stating from zero. The same can be applied to research... if the devs sinks their time into the research interface, they may well expand it (the interface) to other things, like metallurgy (researching recipes), gem cutting, cooking, alchemy and herbalism. This expansion of the interface may make TFC2even more deep and fun, but it can also carry the cost of taking out time for developing other features (or refining the island system) and dilute the main content. In that regard, the innate system might have an advantage. At least is up to the devs what approach might want. It may be that they release as innate and change it over the course of the alpha.
  5. Magic: Research or Innate knowledge

    I do agree with you on this. People like discovery and achievement. The thing is that magic research is not the only way to achieve this; the island progression is another way. And this is where my question about research or innate become relevant. How much the island progression is going to impact TFC2 gameplay and discoveries? If its is going to be a huge part of it, almost as if it is the core of the mod, how much research can you put into magic (and other things for that mater) that does not break the main goal? Is innate a better approach to not padding the game too much? Another thing, ifit is always "easy-mode" (or innate, too) the development time and resources can be focus on a much better experience of island progression. Almost as if saying; "Look, there is magic in this mod andyou can use it from the get-go, but the progression is going to be linked to what islands you have conquered... like every thing else". The same goes with multiplayer, if the difficulty of the island progression can be adjusted to the number of players (automatically or manual) it will also empower the multiplayer side. Nevertheless, there can always be a research method more akin to a mini game in which you have to discover (world seed dependent, maybe) the right amount of magic elements for the greatest effect. In this regard, it does not break the innate knowledge; you know how to do it, but not in an efficient way (similar with food and flavors in TFC1, the need of looking for the best food for you while knowing how to make food from the start).
  6. Magic: Research or Innate knowledge

    Mmm, I was pretty sure that that was the objective, but searching the forums I could not find a clue. Anyway, "relative ease" depend on the player and skill level. I rarely reach colored steel because it is a lot of work, but if you have one or two friends, everything become incredible easy; exploration is faster, mining is faster, chopping wood is faster, getting food is faster. Dangerous mobs are not a problem in TFC1 for anyone with a bit of Minecraft experience, so you don't need to travel in packs or do the same thing together. In that regard, TFC1 is a bit more Multiplayer, not for how easy is to do things, but how fast you can do it. And grinding is a bit subjective, too.
  7. Magic: Research or Innate knowledge

    No, no, an innate knowledge is a knowledge that you already know from birth (in Minecraft scenario, from spawn). For example, almost everything, if not everything, from TFC1 can be done if you have the tools and the material. You don't need to "waste" time researching it and/or finding the clues to begin the research. In TFC1 you know how to smelt, make alloys, tools, armors, etc the moment you spawn. The only thing that stop you to make colored steel armor from the get-go are tools and materials. In this perspective, your last question and mine is intertwined; you cannot have a distinct path if the know-how is innate. My point of view in this is that, though TFC2 is being design as a multiplayer add-on, a good portion of the playerbase is single player. No matter the system chosen (research or innate), it should have in mind that "multiplayer" means from 2 players onward, and some people enjoy the difficulty of being a solo player in TFC1 (I'm one of them). Therefore, at least the option of being an everyman should be a must, it does not matter if it is via more skill points per level, faster research time, or toggling off the research option. If TFC2 is going to be more oriented toward a fantasy setting, magic should be essential, even if it is just a tiny bit. A farmer might want a rune of water to expand the fields, a rune of healthy earth to speed farm production, a rune of magic earth to infuse some plants with magic for medicinal and/or alchemypurposes. A warrior might want a potion (and/or wand and/or gem) of invisibility, fast regeneration, fireproof, alchemical silver (or a magical sword +1) for those pesky damage resistant critters, etc. We can have magic gems to enhance mana recovery for wizards, empower their spells, make them cheaper, etc. For smithscan be rune of melting fire to replace wood, a rune of warm metal to keep the metal "warm" enough to smith, infuse magic to make magical alloys and mystical metals. And that is just a small sample of things that can be done. I don't think it should be an add-on to smithing, just an integral part of the gameplay, even if its simple and by any means complex. I mean, you can start using magic as a spell caster (simple mana bolts) to conquer the first island if you wish, later after conquering the second island, you can start making basic quality of life magic runes and gems, later more complex or magical intensive runes or rituals, and so on; the further you advance in the islands the better things you can make. In this last regard, I think that gating the progress of magic by resources found in more difficult island is a more natural and cohesive way and closer toTFC2 philosophy of progression than research or skill points (and for that mater, has the highestaffinity with innate magic knowledge).
  8. Reign of Terra [Hardcore Mode][TFC][Don'tStarve]

    This mod pack sounds good but, where is the download link or how do I get it?
  9. Boats and Ships

    Oh, sorry about that. That explain why I didn't find any suggestion/questions/thoughts about this in this thread.
  10. Questions Regarding the New Block Physics Demo

    Any new news about this topic? I loved the video and I want to know if there has been an update or something.
  11. Boats and Ships

    I read most of the post and aside from distance between Islands, what deterrent are there to stop players just to swim to the other Islands? I mean, smart movement (I think that is what the add onis called) makes swimming far too easy. I know what you would say, don't use the add on, but the add on add so very good and useful features that enhance the general Minecraft experience (IMHO), and some people just have enough patience to just swim 4k blocks. So, will there be mobs in the sea that make it too dangerous? A stamina bar for swimming?
  12. Fish, invterabrates, and other search and shore animals

    I like the idea of more marine fauna, but the fishing process depicted in the document seems unnecessarily convoluted (though it be great for a mod). For example, why the need of several spears? Are we going to be fishing with spears after the stone/copper age, if not why to put so much attention to that? Don't get me wrong, I love fishing in real life, but TFC is a modand there are not many programmers in the team. It would be better if you simplify it much more. Something in the lines of: For simple fishing: Fishing stone spear (stone-copper age, random fish, low rate) -> Fishing road (copper age, random fish, medium rate) -> fishing bronzebaits (bronze age, specific fish, medium rate) -> magic imbued fishing baits (if magic will exist in TFC2, first or second magicage after bronze, specific fish, high rate) The idea for this line is: 1st, stone age survival (maybe not so easy to catch, but food is food). 2nd, easier food source for long lastingexploration (always have a fishing road in your pack). 3rd catching a particular fish for something in particular, maybe is an alchemy ingredient or the fish that you like (here is the "complex" part of fishing, knowing which bait to use for a specific fish, could be random in every world). 4th, the "god" tier. For mass catching (all random fish): net (copper-bronze age, harder to make than rod, low durability), bronze trap (put and forget, fish rate 1 fish every X minutes/hours, N fish maximum, low durability), steel trap (put and forget, fish rate similar to bronze, medium durability), magical steel trap (like steel just much more durable). Bait + trap = higher fishing rate. Magical bait + trap = much higher fishing rate. The idea of this line is simple; getting fish, a lot of fish. Maybe an alternative for those that don't like fishing, maybe a food source for larger groups. Now, if the devs want it more complex challenge, there is alwayspisciculture. That is complex enough in itself.
  13. Magic!

    If there is going to be magic in this TFC2 at least it should be useful by the time you get it, but just as useful as what you can do at that point. What I mean is that magic should have the potential to improve your current situation and should not be not a tech tree that you need to research for several weeks before you can do something useful. For example, the metal tiers of TFC1, they are a way to improve the situation in which you are but you didn't had to research for countless days before you can achieve the same level of stuff that you can do at that point, they were always an improvement. For example, lets say that we can construct a wand of mana missile, a wand that shoot the most basic of all spells, balls of mana. In TFC1 the best place to have it is as soon as you can do javelins, stone javelins (yup, from the very beginning). I know that you would say that that would break the game, but hear me out. You first wand in awfully inefficient, it waste a lot of mana and you don't have too much mana nor mana regeneration to begin with. At best you can kill two or, with luck, three bears per mana bar and you regen your mana in a day. So, what is the point? Well, the same point of the stone javelin, to use it as a last resort mechanism. Later on, when you made your first base you can create a wand of infuse mana... that infuse mana to an object or plant with it. A mana infused tomato plantgrows faster, but casting mana infuse cost as much as a mana missile so it become a game of resources. That would be great for places with very scarce food, or to get more seeds/materials froma rare plant in the early game. And it is balanced, I mean, if there is a lot of food, would you waste mana on a few plants just to get more food faster or you prefer be exploring the land while your crops grow? - Are you at the point in which you can make bows? You can cast stronger mana balls. Bows can fire as long as you have arrows, and if arrows are easy to make... -Are you in copper tier? Infused magic runes to grow medicinal herbs and mana herbs for basic potions - what about iron tier? Infused earth runes to grow trees a bit faster or allow fruit trees to grow on other climates.First runes engraved on equipment for minor magic weapons and armors - Steel? What about some explosive magic... And so on...
  14. Food depletion depends on the player's skills

    I think food should be as experience points are for a mmorpg: you grind them at the beginning and they are anon issue later on. It is true that the main objective of TFC in general is survival and for that reason food seems to be a logical candidate to focus on for the difficulty, but in reality it should not. If food has to play a major role things like farming and food preservation would be an illogical part of the gameplay;farming ensure you with a suitable amount of food and preservation multiply your food several times. The thing is, if you have so much food that you don't know what to do with it, it just mean that you have wasted resources unnecessarily (preservation materials, time, land, etc.). More hunger just mean you have to farm more and to use more materials and time to gather them, instead on focusing on the part of the gameplay that you want. And that is not considering that people might feel discouraged to advance, to increase their levels if they have to focus on farming instead of whatever they want to do. From a single and multiplayer perspective, the less a single person has to focus on a single activity the more opportunities for fun they have. But that not necessarily means that farming and food cannot be a focus or an end goal for players that enjoy that side. You can be the one responsible for feeding the crazy monster hunters, the brave explorer and/or fellow ranchers. If the quality food returns for TFC2 you can supply with superb sandwiches or stock the restaurant that just opened. The larger the city you have to feed the more you need to learn about rotation and timely production to have a stock of fresh and preserved food all the time. And food is always needed.
  15. I read that there are going to be a way to preserve food. I have some question and some thoughts. 1. Is preserved food be like slated meat (half the decay rate) or are you going to give us free days/months of zero decay and after that the decay normally? 2. At what 'era' are you going to make available this methods? 3. Are you going to reduce the weight of preserved food because of preservation method (like dry or smoke)? 4. Do you plan to have some food (aside from milk, since cheese is a way of preserving milk) to be treated or all food can be treated for preservation? I asked these because I feel that the food decay as it is it too slow in the inventory and too fast in the chest/jar (or it seems as this). If you answer 1) as free days/months you can actually put more pressure to food preservation making the decay rate faster (IRL raw meat start to stink in a warm/hot day in few hours). That also mean that the sooner you got your preservation tools the better, since you can now actually store food in your chest/jar for days/months (as IRL) and some techniques are from the stone age (dry food and smoke meat). I think that free days/months would be better in single player since you can have a much more realistic experience disabling the food protection option (when the chunk is loaded it just do a math operation to get how many days you left from food/chunk and reduce the days accordingly). In multiplayer games either options are hard to control since the world is "always on" unless you can do two things: store the last log-in and ownership of a preserved food and make it inedible and unable to decay if the player is not online. With that you can give some kind of off-line penalty (e.g., 1 day of food preservation per 5 days of IRL of being off-line) to ensure some kind of realism.
  16. TFC is missing a goal

    In a multiplayer server with a decent quantity of players having all crops type and tree types (saplings and/or wood) could be a great source of income, at least at the beginning . They could be sold as seeds and saplings or as raw material (the wood and fruit), the last one could be preferred since does not kill the market. You can even sell houses if there is a regulation for that.
  17. TFC is missing a goal

    I do not know how the devs tackle this topic (I think Kittychanley hates me because I've said this several times, lol), but IMHO TFC is not a "survival simulation", or in another sense, it is a "life simulation". The survival aspect of TFC ends in the moment that you can farm food all year around. The only moment you were pressed to make survival actions is at the beginning where you have to look for a shelter, food and water (the classical survival situation). After that point TFC becomes an upgrade and more realistic version of Harvest Moon, without the chicks and townies (or that the townies are mean zombies that want your flesh). In that aspect TFC it is an sand box game that, as Visitor said in the post above mine, it has reached the point where we have the tools but we don't have a reason to use them, a goal, a monster powerful enough to truly test our steel (in a sense). The thing is, since it is a sand box game, it needs a lot of different goals simple because people wants different things and to keep the sand box nature as true as possible. Some people like to stay in a calm and nice farm, feed the chickens, farm the land and have a simple life in a lodge cabin in the forest. Others like the exploration part of MC, discover ancient ruins, new villages, resources and live the life of those merchants that always have something exotic to sell. There are those fearless warriors that are bored of feeding the cows and want to slay a big bad Dragon to show off or to live the life of a mercenary. Those are goals, goals to pursue and goals that need to be developed since some of them are not present (or are too easy). Multiple dimensions would feed the anxious player that love to explore the world (or worlds), he might hire one or two mercenaries to be safe in an unknown world. Infinite towers would make the gladiator type happy but those towers need to be found and it is here where the explorer comes handy. The Indiana Johns' type need some temples and lost villages here and there to be happy. And those, per-se, are goals. To become a great explorer you need horses, maps, ink, preserved food and water, an armor and weapons might be optional or to be safe from bandits and/or wild animals. The mercenary type needs a lot of combat oriented tools and the best armor and weapon he/she can find, deadly poisons, trap knowledge, and fighting skills. It is not that I want infinite tower, multiple dimensions, etc because it will be the source of infinite mobs and fights, but more oriented to a mixture of game-plays and goals.
  18. TFC is missing a goal

    Naaa, I'm not saying that that is my goal, it is just that I like the idea of the OP in the sense of TFC having a goal (o multiple goals) after reaching red/blue steel. You know, TFC, as far as I know, isn't a finished game/mod, so it is now when we can say something to make it more appealing for the rest of us (obviously there are people that don't share the same views and that is fine, hence, we might go against the ideas of the creators of this mod). Endless content? not even WoW that have been in existence for several years have endless content, and people that play WoW play other games as well (as I do and as you do). Some people find themselves attracted to a goal, to kill that dragon, that big bad demon with Biblical name, why does TFC shouldn't have something like that? Well, maybe a demon might be too crazy, but to do something after reaching the last tier of metals. That is the point of the OP. In regards to the rest of your post, AllenWL gave some good answers.
  19. hedges as a decorative feature

    I like the idea, and also I do not find O.P. to be able to grow edible bushes, since they produce so little food that you need a great deal of them and that would cover a lot of surface, vital surface in a city or town. Fruit tree, on the other hand, produce a lot of fruit and are really compact, they can also be reproduced (slow, but surely), in that sense I feel that fruit trees are more O.P. than some bushes.
  20. TFC is missing a goal

    That is true but at some extend. In a game like this you have to face two situations, one is that you become a godly being with all that technology or face challenges that, no matter how well prepared you are, you are prone to an imminent death. Just for the sake of an example, think of an infinite tower with enemies so strong that even with red/blue steel armors and swords if you make two or three mistakes, you are dead. How many floors can you clear before being another ghost in that tower? It is true that nobody will adventure to such dangerous place without a proper treasure, something with a value in game that worth all the effort and preparation. That is a goal (one of many). Why do you think that in our era, with a technology so advance that our survival instinct are so damned that a deer (or a chicken) is harder to hunt than a human, especially one of those creatures that walk in the street while texting, but at the same time, there are people that look for live threatening situations, like free fall, bungee jump and so on? That does not make sense from the survival viewpoint and yet, they are doing it. That won't solve the problem, that just divert it. Well, no game would ever be fresh forever, but there are situations (in a "sandbox" environment) where you can face countless of challenges that would test your steel and keep it fresh for long time. And yes, in a game where you can make armors it almost foolish not looking for fights (why do you need them if you cannot face dangers?). Multiple dimensions, "infinite" towers, lost temples scattered on the world, in a multiplayer server wars can be organized (it would be cool in a sense), boss fights. trips around the world, hunting the rarest beast (Dragons, unicorns, anyone? We have Zombies and walking skeletons, if you dare to say that Dragons don't have place in TFC think twice), etc. If those ideas can be implemented, TFC would have so many goals that you can play much longer and actively seeking to reach red/blue steel age.
  21. Fighting Skills

    As stories in books, games always have the feeling of being in aDéjà vu; "I've seen/read this, bla bla bla". Instead of inventing for something original just look around, there are sagas that have been successful without having a complex combat system even if combat is their main role. I already suggested this, hence I should be quiet and keep reading the post but, well, I'm kind of stubborn. One of those games that have been very successful (even if you may think that the game is not good) is Zelda. The concept it is quite simple a guy with a bunch of weird and not-so-weird tools that save a princes (a classic one). The thing is that those tools are simple in a sense, they only do one thing, from a wooden stick to light up as a torch to a amulet that allow you to become a moving paint. Link is not different from Steve, the both have limited life, and inventory and a sword (shield is optional for Steve). Both of them don't have more fighting skills that just swing that blade in the same way over, and over, and over (aside for the spin attack and some other in some incarnations). The difference is in the fact that Link use his tools as weapons and/or shields. What about Steve? Does Steve in the TFC incarnation need to have skills? No, not really, but he has a skill that Link doesn't, the ability to make tools, and it is in those tools that TFC has all what it needs to fight. Small explosives, shurikens, hammers, swords, fishing roads (yes, those roads are killers, and very good at it with the right conditions), axes, etc. Just thing about it, a big sword (Buster Blade if you wish) with a charging option similar to a bow, ideal to kill slow moving targets (or with the proper timing, your skill, fast moving targets) and a second ability as its smaller brother, a shield. It can be adjusted to make you slow while wielding it as a form of balance. You can make moving floor spikes (blocks) that you can activate it with a lever (dig a hole, lure a mob of mobs and use that fishing road to "fish them into the hole" and enjoy the butchery). The tool possibilities that are believable in the TFC universe are great, and I bet you that you won't need skills to have fun with your creativity and see how can I use this tool to kill a target. The thing is that we need those tools. We have the means to make them, and a fun (and some times frustrating) way of doing them (metal working, leather working) and the materials to do them, even poisons.
  22. In my last map I dug a hole to place my food jars, I dug it a little deep, placed a door to easy access and a trapdoor to avoid falling by accident (me or a mob). I wondered, why do this doors have to allow the light to pass so damn good? It would be very nice to have trapdoors and doors without holes to reduce the light in a room as much as possible. They can be made of metal sheets and/or wood. What do you think?
  23. TFC is missing a goal

    IMHO I think that an open goal is better. What is an open goal? Well, basically it is a "always having something to do" goal. For example, with the new spawning thing where all zombies and similar are going to be underground one end would be exploration. Spawning dungeons underground (or a "infinite tower" kind of building in the surface, for example) that can give you trophies (useless items) when you reach the room with the chest. A second dimension that give you a lot of terrain to explore and new mechanics and mobs to fight. I guess that part of this open goal could be more focused to fighting and exploring since you want to have an use to your shiny red steel armour and blue steel sword. It might include some bosses with weird "abilities" like a "green bear" that, when die it become a "green big spider" and later a "green dragon" to end with his final form, a small and cute "green slime"...
  24. Fighting Skills

    I'm with you Kittychanley, it would become quite boring playing like that. But my point was toward that TFC isn't a survival game per-se, I mean aside for hunger, thirst and avoiding dangerous mobs (especially at night) there is no mechanic that force you to keep doing stuffs in order to survive (for example, that you have to move from your spot every three or four nights or become the prey of zombies that can burn your house or that to ensure enough amount of food you have to fight through a horde of hungry beasts or be left with the leftovers that can make your day if you are lucky). Once you have a farm, some clay vessels and a hut that you call home, you are settle and that is achieved the first few nights. So, the question is, after settling what is the next step? Metal working. And after metal working is just going to an adventure because there is nothing more to do (not that that is achieved easily, though), I think that fighting and combat have a really important place in TFC that should be explored (and I read that it'll be if I'm not mistaken) especially after you are able to craft your first set of armor and weapons. Skills and abilities are a really nice addition for any game that have some "fighting" side (it is sad that minecraft vanilla doesn't foresee something like this). And I'm not saying something overly complicate like an RPG as D&D or Diablo. Something a little more simple like Zelda (a bunch of weird tools/weapons, some spells like in Ocarine of Time) that are simple in context but are nice. A spin attack would be fun I guess, but I think that the best action would to focus on the "tools abilities" rather in character ability. Just for the sake of an example that could or could not have its place in TFC: combat knife (fast hits that deals low damage and has so little knockback that make it easy to combo an opponent), a Fransica axe that you can throw (not far) to deal slash damage at distance and, if attached with a chain/rope, you can return to your hand in the same fashion of a fishing road. We have metals and a way of making metal powder so it would be "easy" to create "metal poison" that would affect an spider and strong enough to kill it if weaken enough... Well, just saying.
  25. Fighting Skills

    Actually, TF is not about surviving if you get what I mean. You achieve survivability the moment you get your farm and you thatch house, at that point you are alive and, if you just play in a safe way (sleeping at night in you thatch home) you can survive as long as you wish before even finding a single metal ore. After you have survived you go to ease your life (since you are "safe" now), you want better tools, better home, something different that just hiding behind a wall of thatch. So, after you find your nice home and you have nice tools and armours what are you going to do with all that? In a game with zombies,,, killing them seems to be the best option. And the most fun you get with that the better. Just saying...