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Th3A1ph4D0g

Porcupine

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I have spent awhile trying to figure out how to make this model work. The quills have been the hardest problem I have had by far in my modeling. A porcupine's quills are generally very fine. This is difficult to try to convey with the blocky-ness of mine craft. I would like to get all of your input on this as well. In earlier versions I had used full boxes for the quills. This created a far too bloated look. For the quills in this version, Darmo suggested transparent planes. This reduced the amount of boxes used by roughly 30 boxes. The transparent quills make for a finer look. I have attached the model and texture below. Please give me your comments over the design.

Porcupine New Style V3.png

Porcupine.png

MCMCPorcupineV1.MCModel

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I really like it. The model looks great. The only think I can think of, is that the quill texture should be a bit more banded, as the porcupine quills I have seen are, but other than that it looks really good.

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Here's a question for Bioxx - one thing I thought might be useful to get a finer quill texture, would be to scale the entire mass of quills.  Similar to how the plan was to scale down the horns on Konlii's ibex, while leaving the body alone, in order to keep the fine detail of taper, but at a correct scale.  In theory we could do the same thing on the entire quill mass of the porcupine - if Alpha built a body box 2-3 times as large as the 'actual' one, built a mass of quills on this oversize box, then made the oversize body box 'NOBOX' and all the quills are children of it, then this entire mass could be scaled down 1/2 to 1/3 or whatever.  This would make the quills appear much finer, while allowing the head, legs, and so forth, to remain in a scale more in line with other mobs and the world.    If this sounds like a good strategy, would it be possible to get the ability to perform this scaling in MCMC?  It would make it easier to create and visualize such a strategy.  Because as it is, Alpha would just have to make a gigantic quill mass and hope that it all looks right when scaled down in code.

As for texture, I think it's mostly African porcupines that have the alternating black bands.  American ones I think have black tips.  In any case, the quills as shown may be a bit coarse for that to look right.  But if we can use the scaling strategy described above, the quills could effectively be twice or however many times as long in pixels, and that would probably look much better, in terms of banding.

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Performing a global scale would probably be doable in MCMC, but in this case, I would probably recommend using a larger texture to allow for smaller pixels per quill. Then just use 2x2 pixels for each individual pixel for the rest of the porcupine. Or alternatively just make the quills thinner, they do not HAVE to be 1 pixel wide.

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3 hours ago, Bioxx said:

Or alternatively just make the quills thinner, they do not HAVE to be 1 pixel wide.

Wait, what?  I didn't think we could make a box smaller than 1 pixel.   Double scale texture is doable, but it either requires Alpha to do a bunch of detail work making 4-pixel groups to simulate a lower resolution texture on the body, or we just use the finer grained texture for the whole thing.

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It looks like I enforced them to be integers(may be a requirement in mc i can't remember), you're correct.

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7 minutes ago, Bioxx said:

It looks like I enforced them to be integers(may be a requirement in mc i can't remember), you're correct.

I found a Minecraft Forge Forum post discussing some code for allowing ModelRenderer.addBox() to accept float values.

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Ok, so personally I think it would be a lot better if the quills were at a finer scale - whether via a scaled down quill cluster, or a double-resolution texture.  The only other clear-cut opinion we've heard is by Therighthon, who is ok with it as is.  I don't want to ask Alpha to do a ton of work just for my opinion, but if you don't mind Alpha, I'd like to try taking the texture after you're done with it, and convert it to an oversize version, with 1/2 thickness quills, and see how that looks.

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I plan on working on the model a slight bit more to try to add a little more density.

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If you want to try to make an up-sized version after I finish my few changes then go ahead Darmo. I would suggest up-scaling by three however. All the quill planes are odd integers so that they fit in an consistent pattern. An increase by 2x would make some of the textures have a weird orientation. 

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On the concept of banded quills. These are not true rings around the quills but in the pictures I saw the lengths of the bands varied as well. What are your thoughts on this? A different view of the porcupine as well.

Porcupine Quill Change.png

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I like it.  Adds some interest to the quills, really draws the eye.

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Finally got around to going for thinner quills.  It ended up being much easier to just double the size of the texture, and simply reducing the quill parts of the texture to 1 pixel wide.  I first did this for The original model (left), but then I did try to rearrange the quill boxes, and also make them actual full 6-sided boxes (right), to reduce their numbers vs the multitude of 2d planes.  It also seems like the 2d planes in the original model make it harder to select other boxes sometimes. 

The problem with this is the backside culling makes them not show up on the 'inside'.  I remembered Konlii (I think) mentioned that actual minecraft shows the backsides.  After a little research, my impression is that the default is for backsides to be culled, but it's possible to cancel this behavior temporarily, to render boxes where you want the backsides shown.  So my question for Bioxx is, could we get MCMC updated so that each box has a check box option to NOT cull the back faces of that particular box?  It'd make the modeling end of things a lot simpler.

PorcupineV5&V7.jpg

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This new version is loads better than the original at the top of this chain. The new sizing gives the quills a much finer look. We will never get it to look exactly life-like unless we blew up the model by something ridiculous like 32x and had Bioxx scale that down in post. I don't think MCMC could even render a texture that large.

One thing to consider on your new model is the positioning of the quills. In the original (the left) the quills started pretty much from the end of the neck. In your new version, the quills start in the middle of the legs it seems.

I also believe that the scale that you used for the quills is off. They look to be sticking out of the body by a box on each side. I see that the original stuck out of the front slightly on accident but not the sides. Maybe scale down the ZY-quills (Top) by two to make the box fit on the body once more. The XY-quills (Sides) seem fine but might need an adjustment in the X direction.

Overall, after the scaling gets looked at, this model is a big improvement.

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Ya, I noticed those position problems too once I posted the pictures side by side.  I spent a lot of time playing with different angles and sizes and apparently things got off without me noticing.     It'll be easy enough to fix, but I'd really like to find out if there's a possibility of getting a per-box option to have back face culling nullified before I spend more time on it.  If so, I think the full boxes route will just make things easier overall.  But if we can't do that, then we'll just go with your original 2d planes Alpha, as you did a good job with positioning those.  So I'm going to shelve this one until we can get a ruling from Bioxx on the culling.

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