[0.79] Eating is useless

[aliceingame 114]

Version #:SSP/SMP (Single/MultiPlayer):Suggested Name: Eating is uselessSuggested Category: SevereDescription: You do not really have to heat to stay alive as there is no hunger damage. Even if you don't eat, you will never starve to death. Yes, nutrition will depleat, but you will stay at minimum amount of health points forever. You should die at some point or else people can exploit this and never eat.

[muffledsheep08 5]

Please use the search bar, this has already been mentioned (by me.)

[Maga 99]

Please read the changelog, this has been addressed there before either of you asked. (By the admins)

[aliceingame 114]

Yeah, but I am reporting this as a bug, not making a suggestion.

 

And I saw nothing in the changelog. Can you point it out please. I read most of it today and searched in it and got no relevant result. (nothing with "starve" "hunger" "die" "death".... give me some search idea, but none of these give any results in the changelog)

[Terex 108]

This is in the changelog. I dont agree with it but oh well....

 

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Disabled taking damage when the player is starving. Instead, nutrition levels decrease at 3x normal rate.

[aliceingame 114]

Ok then, I'll change the title and description of the problem

[EstebanLB 183]

Ok then, I'll change the title and description of the problem

Still not a bug, but a feature. You can close this thread and comment it in the Discussion forums, I think that there are topics created already for this

[Kittychanley 1,002]

The infinite 50 HP is hardly an exploit, considering as soon as you take any kind of damage, you are basically dead. I believe there are only 1 or two ways you can take damage that will not instantly kill a player with only 50 HP.

[aliceingame 114]

Well, according to this guy, people do exploit it.

 

http://terrafirmacraft.com/f/topic/6948-some-observations-of-how-people-play/

 

I guess that any work in a forge building should not involve any form of damage.

 

I do not care much about this as I do eat and try to keep my character healthy, but I would not assume that everybody plays that way.

[abdyman 14]

would also like to note that after having a bed it makes eating completely useless. since you can just kill yourself to reset your nutrients and get your health back up. also the rate at which nutrients drain feels slow, making it feel less important to make sure you are fed

[Two 21]

That server I mentioned has a mod running that allows you to keep your items on death, so no one is afraid of dieing. And even if you would loose your stuff, then people would just make a death-room (as someone else in that thread mentioned) and kill themselves just before they go on exploring.

I agree with Alice that not eating at all should at some point be lethal (which would be a point in time after the major food bugs have been solved). A simple example would be to just set the minimum health you can drop to to zero.

[Kittychanley 1,002]

That server I mentioned has a mod running that allows you to keep your items on death, so no one is afraid of dieing. And even if you would loose your stuff, then people would just make a death-room (as someone else in that thread mentioned) and kill themselves just before they go on exploring.I agree with Alice that not eating at all should at some point be lethal (which would be a point in time after the major food bugs have been solved). A simple example would be to just set the minimum health you can drop to to zero.

 

I don't see the point in making it lethal if your players don't care about dying anyways.

[Terex 108]

When building i often forget to notice my player is starving. Is there no audio or visual cue (e.g. screen shaking or blurring) when this happens? I apologise if I missed this.

[Kittychanley 1,002]

When building i often forget to notice my player is starving. Is there no audio or visual cue (e.g. screen shaking or blurring) when this happens? I apologise if I missed this.

 

There's nothing as obvious as your entire screen jerking, but the Max Health number on your HP bar will start rapidly decreasing if you are starving. Its not a continual tick, but every in-game hour (less than real-life minute) the number will drop by a good 10-20 points if you are starving.

[abdyman 14]

I don't see the point in making it lethal if your players don't care about dying anyways.

 

would it be possible to make it that when you die your nutrients dont reset and instead keep what they were at before?

doing this alone would make ppl more interested in properly taking care of their diet

 

edit: preferably instead make it a low default value like 30-50% nutrients

edit2: better yet, you seem to have been doing good work in TFC config options. Can you add something there so that we can edit the default nutrient value after a person dies, preferably in percent form

[landryx 36]

perfect abdyman. That was the exact thing I was thinking about.

Devs put efforts in a new food system that players completely by-pass. What a annoyance don't you think? Anyway.

[Hubertus 29]

I don't see the point in making it lethal if your players don't care about dying anyways.

Probably the best quote I've seen on these forums. If people don't care about how much health they have, and don't value their own lives, then any modification to the nutrition system is moot. If you make it less tough, it will merely increase the time interval between suicides. If you crank it up to the max, you ruin the game for the regular players. Sure, you could have it check to see if death was self-inflicted, but then people will just toss themselves off a cliff and find a mob to finish them off. You could change it so that some items are always lost on death, but then people will simply put their stuff in a chest first. Eventually it all degrades into a war between the administrators installing new penalties and the players working aroun them. You could change the coding in a million ways, but so long that players are actively looking for a way around a game mechanic, they're going to find one. If you want to cheat the game, that's your loss.