Lamps, Candles and Torches oh my! (new lighting ideas)

[Just_Another_Guy_:) 1,066]

they still aren't implemented, Buzhwaz be patient

[Bookcreeper 1]

Tallow is rendered from a form of beef/mutton fat so I think it would be fairly simple to add the items and process necessary since we already have the animals we need.

[GismoT 50]

Deal with it

[EternalUndeath 1,208]

the devs could have a look at ic^2 for alblakas booze/coffe and coco system :3

No they can't

Even looking at another mod's sourcecode could be considered theft of intellectual property, and Alblaka is well known for being exceptionally uptight about this.

[GismoT 50]

looking at the concept and looking at the code is something completly diffrent just sayin

it is his damn right to be uptight about the code, but he can´t forbid anyone to think about his concept of handling fermentation and boni/mali

[Jed1314 420]

No they can't

Even looking at another mod's sourcecode could be considered theft of intellectual property, and Alblaka is well known for being exceptionally uptight about this.

That is a somewhat dubious matter. For example, reading a book and using it as an inspiration is not intellectual property theft, but using actual excerpts from the book would be. Similarly (I think) it is not theft to look at a piece of code for inspiration on how to perform a function, but it is theft to use part of that code. (I might be wrong though )

[EternalUndeath 1,208]

That is a somewhat dubious matter. For example, reading a book and using it as an inspiration is not intellectual property theft, but using actual excerpts from the book would be. Similarly (I think) it is not theft to look at a piece of code for inspiration on how to perform a function, but it is theft to use part of that code. (I might be wrong though )

Unfortunately while that may be the case with most mod developers, Alblaka is a notorious tightass about this. If he thinks for a moment that anyone is trying to ape something from IC2 he flips a shit

[Jed1314 420]

Unfortunately while that may be the case with most mod developers, Alblaka is a notorious tightass about this. If he thinks for a moment that anyone is trying to ape something from IC2 he flips a shit

I see .. There has probably been history for him regarding code theft or something

[GismoT 50]

but how is it possible to make so many codes for the same tasks ?

when is it considerd copying, when healthy mind ?

(i hate these intelectual property laws, they are so hazy)

[Scooterdanny 285]

Well, i think dunk and bioxx don't want to add a buff system, i might be wrong though, but a use for coffee would be nice, maybe when combat overhaul is added, (And if energy like SM is added) then it could cause it to regenerate sooner?

[GismoT 50]

Well, i think dunk and bioxx don't want to add a buff system, i might be wrong though, but a use for coffee would be nice, maybe when combat overhaul is added, (And if energy like SM is added) then it could cause it to regenerate sooner?

i thought more like energy bar fills up faster but it also deplets the hunger bar faster

[EternalUndeath 1,208]

but how is it possible to make so many codes for the same tasks ?

when is it considerd copying, when healthy mind ?

(i hate these intelectual property laws, they are so hazy)

There aren't too many ways to code this stuff, true.

It's bad if they look at IC2 and take ideas from it.

If they come up with the ideas completely on their own without looking at IC2 and it happens to be similar, then it was just convergently developed and that's fine. The point is, the TFC team can't have any knowledge of IC2s mechanics if they intend on implementing a similar one

[GismoT 50]

There aren't too many ways to code this stuff, true.

It's bad if they look at IC2 and take ideas from it.

If they come up with the ideas completely on their own without looking at IC2 and it happens to be similar, then it was just convergently developed and that's fine. The point is, the TFC team can't have any knowledge of IC2s mechanics if they intend on implementing a similar one

that is the most utterly two-faced base for copyright i have ever heard (nothing against you)

wich moron came up with this?

[Peffern 94]

I have to agree with Gismo on this one (sorry eternal)

"it's bad if they like at IC2 code and take ideas from it."

Looking at the concept is fine.

Look at NEI vs TMI. Same concept, different code. That's competition, not copyright infringement.

[GismoT 50]

I have to agree with Gismo on this one (sorry eternal)

"it's bad if they like at IC2 code and take ideas from it."

Looking at the concept is fine.

Look at NEI vs TMI. Same concept, different code. That's competition, not copyright infringement.

you dont get my point

my point is, as long as you dont know what the other guy is doing its not infringement, but as soon as you look at another party´s code, you stole it

[EternalUndeath 1,208]

I have to agree with Gismo on this one (sorry eternal)

"it's bad if they like at IC2 code and take ideas from it."

Looking at the concept is fine.

Look at NEI vs TMI. Same concept, different code. That's competition, not copyright infringement.

Well yeah, that's what I'm saying. Gizmo thinks looking at the code and taking 'inspiration' from that should be fine though, unless I'm mistaken

[GismoT 50]

Well yeah, that's what I'm saying. Gizmo thinks looking at the code and taking 'inspiration' from that should be fine though, unless I'm mistaken

i mean isnt it kinda fucked up to say, its ok the have the same code as long as you didnt copy it

but how do you determine when somethin is copied ? i cant say you copied from me because you solve: 2300*2=4600 this way: (23*2)+00 /or/ 2300*2

just because i did it before you did

i think this is insane

[Peffern 94]

you dont get my point

my point is, as long as you dont know what the other guy is doing its not infringement, but as soon as you look at another party´s code, you stole it

No YOU don't get MY point.

As soon as you look at their code, it's stealing. We agree on that.

But if you just, for example, play IC2 for a while, then write your own system to have similar effects, then it's convergent development and is totally fine. The thought process should be "I want ti right a buff/debuff system based on beverages. Oh look, IC2 has one of those. I'll go play it. Okay, now I'm going to write some code of my own."

Never looking at IC2 code. Hey, look at pipes vs tubes! Same deal.

[GismoT 50]

forget it

[Srgnoodles 1,030]

Hey, look at pipes vs tubes! Same deal.

ugh this is why i hate elloram, she's trying to incorperate all the other Technic mods into hers

the tubes are copying buildcraft

the bluelectric is copying IC electricity

and now she's added her own computers to rival computercraft

i understand why FlowerChild left forge

[EternalUndeath 1,208]

ugh this is why i hate elloram, she's trying to incorperate all the other Technic mods into hers

the tubes are copying buildcraft

the bluelectric is copying IC electricity

and now she's added her own computers to rival computercraft

i understand why FlowerChild left forge

Bluetricity serves a very different function to IC2 EUs and isn't even similar

RP brass pipes are incredibly dissimilar to BC <insert material here> pipes. In RP, the pipes are only a means to an end - they move things from one machine to another; the main focus is the machines themselves. In BC, the pipes ARE the main focus, and they have a wide amount of variety and functions.

As far as computers go, RP control actually came WAY first, but since the ComputerCraft developer saw that she wasn't going to release it for a good long time he asked Eloraam's permission to make a spinoff mod of it, which she consented to. So even if one was ripping off the other (which they weren't), computercraft would be ripping off of Redpower.

I don't mind if you have an opinion different from mine

Just make sure it's an informed opinion first.

[Srgnoodles 1,030]

Bluetricity serves a very different function to IC2 EUs and isn't even similar

RP brass pipes are incredibly dissimilar to BC <insert material here> pipes. In RP, the pipes are only a means to an end - they move things from one machine to another; the main focus is the machines themselves. In BC, the pipes ARE the main focus, and they have a wide amount of variety and functions.

As far as computers go, RP control actually came WAY first, but since the ComputerCraft developer saw that she wasn't going to release it for a good long time he asked Eloraam's permission to make a spinoff mod of it, which she consented to. So even if one was ripping off the other (which they weren't), computercraft would be ripping off of Redpower.

I don't mind if you have an opinion different from mine

Just make sure it's an informed opinion first.

myeh its still too similar for me but whatever

[GismoT 50]

lol how this thread derailed

i am guilty i know

[Peffern 94]

I used pipes vs tubes as an example exactly because it is not an example of this. It is a better (read: more useful, better thought out, more balanced, more adaptable to TFC. Shall I go on?) design that was inspired NOT copied.

Now, return to topic.

How about torches that are crafted the same way as now, that burn for roughly 12000 mc ticks (half a standard day) but is influenced by my proposed humidity (see thunder thread). When they burn out they have a ~10% chance of leaving a stick.

How about candles that are produced in the above manner that burn for 24000 ticks, and have a return a shortened candle. This can be relit ti burn for an additional 12000 ticks. Again influenced by humidity.

How about lanterns produced in above manner, are not influenced by humidity, produce light when held, when placed can be GUI opened to add eel oil (see thread) or blubber (see other thread) to extend life. Remain placed when fuel is used up.

How about it?

[Srgnoodles 1,030]

Now, return to topic.

How about torches that are crafted the same way as now, that burn for roughly 12000 mc ticks (half a standard day) but is influenced by my proposed humidity (see thunder thread). When they burn out they have a ~10% chance of leaving a stick.

How about candles that are produced in the above manner that burn for 24000 ticks, and have a return a shortened candle. This can be relit ti burn for an additional 12000 ticks. Again influenced by humidity.

How about lanterns produced in above manner, are not influenced by humidity, produce light when held, when placed can be GUI opened to add eel oil (see thread) or blubber (see other thread) to extend life. Remain placed when fuel is used up.

How about it?

isnt that pretty much what i suggested just adding set times for them to burn for?

also, you shouldnt be able to light a candle stub, you should be able to melt it down and make a whole candle out of say 3 stubs