Coppicing

[platanusoccidentalis 35]

Me, being into horticulture was reading one of my gardening books a few nights ago and realized something: why don't we have coppicing in TFC? Coppicing is the process of cutting a tree to the ground for it's wood, letting it grow back, and then a number of years later, going and gathering that tree's wood again. According to Wikipedia, the use of coppicing goes back to the times of King Henry the VIII, where the process helped fuel iron production. I feel that the addition of something like this to the mod would help increase wood production, hence increasing the ease of making charcoal in large amounts. (which I find overly strenuous) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coppicing

[killster550 401]

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[platanusoccidentalis 35]

....I feel you misunderstand me, instead of having to break the leaves off of twenty trees, simply cut them to the base and allow them to regrow. <.<

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[renadi 258]

There's another thread on this somewhere, not sure if it was posted by you, it's an interesting idea, but it'd go along with changes to how trees work as a whole, you should check one of those threads out.

that thread had some information towards the end that may interest you

[Gorni 73]

did you even bother to take a look at the wiki article killster? maybe you should...

[killster550 401]

edited *facepalm* i can be so retarded at 2 am sometimes, and suddenly i get a bright idea alongside my retardedness

[LordOfWolves 514]

Me, being into horticulture was reading one of my gardening books a few nights ago and realized something: why don't we have coppicing in TFC? Coppicing is the process of cutting a tree to the ground for it's wood, letting it grow back, and then a number of years later, going and gathering that tree's wood again. According to Wikipedia, the use of coppicing goes back to the times of King Henry the VIII, where the process helped fuel iron production. I feel that the addition of something like this to the mod would help increase wood production, hence increasing the ease of making charcoal in large amounts. (which I find overly strenuous) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coppicing

I like very much this idea. I would it implemented, but I'm not sure if it's possible. Also I want to add that you can make this only with a saw, because the axe doesn't cut well, it breaks some log, instead the saw can do the thing that is in the wiki. Also another thing, bigger trees should regrow slower and you should leave more wood (IE if you chop down a sequoia, you can't leave olìnly 1 log, because sequoias can't grow from it, or at least a little sequoia grows), instead the little trees grow faster and you can leave at least 1 log.

[transcengopher 349]

This will require additional roots block to be added to work properly, or else we can place log somewhere at it will shoot, which is not good at all.

Edit:

I will never look at faggots and suckers the same way again.

[Pakislav 120]

This will require additional roots block to be added to work properly, or else we can place log somewhere at it will shoot, which is not good at all.

I agree. The root blocks would be a fine addition. But I'm not sure that it's true that a log placed by a player would do that. If I place a log at the bottom of the trees without base in B66, when I later cut the log I placed only it is broken and the script that normally 'falls' the tree doesn't trigger. So this trigger doesn't have to be trigger from logs placed by the player either.

[Unicorn 26]

I agree. The root blocks would be a fine addition. But I'm not sure that it's true that a log placed by a player would do that. If I place a log at the bottom of the trees without base in B66, when I later cut the log I placed only it is broken and the script that normally 'falls' the tree doesn't trigger. So this trigger doesn't have to be trigger from logs placed by the player either.

Root blocks could be like clay...same texture as dirt but its not dirt...

[LordOfWolves 514]

Root blocks could be like clay...same texture as dirt but its not dirt...

Do you mean a clay block that at the place of clay has root? It would be very cool, very very cool. And if you break too many of them under a still alive tree, it can fall or die. With die I mean that all the leaves start disappearing and the wood starts rotting.

[Pakislav 120]

It would be cool to have a house made of roots and naturally gornw trees

[LordOfWolves 514]

It would be cool to have a house made of roots and naturally gornw trees

Hmm yeah, yeah cool but difficult, very difficult. It would be easier to have a house in a sequoia, because it's only a tree and it's large.

This would be cool, a house inside a sequoia...

[Pakislav 120]

Why difficult? Just dig the dirt from below the roots which will act like a roof that isn't affected by gravity.

[LordOfWolves 514]

Why difficult? Just dig the dirt from below the roots which will act like a roof that isn't affected by gravity.

I meant irl, but now I understand that you meant below the tree. I thought that you meant a root house in the surface...

[puxapuak 232]

A good idea as conceived maybe, but as I mentioned in the other thread that talked about it, the cost-benefit analysis doesn't look good.

It would require a complete rewrite to trees and saplings. Dunk is already rewriting trees to grow better, but if he's not rewriting it in such a way that this would be possible then he's really not going to want to do it all over again.

The second point is that coal is already really easy to come by. With trees now sprouting on their own, forests regrow rapidly, and spread into regions without forests just as fast. In some sense then, the industrial benefit of coppiccing is already built into TFC. For the worlds I've had with the sprouts working, I can't possibly keep up with it. Just the trees sprouting up around my cabin alone provide me with more coal than I could possibly ever use. So much that every few days I have to run around killing tree saplings so they don't overgrow everything (I'm hoping this will be slowed).

IRL coppiccing made sense. In TFC its value is provided by other means, and introducing functionally would require breaking things that exist. So the cost is quite high and the actual benefit approaches zero. That makes this idea purely cosmetic.

[bsb23 303]

While not a bad idea in theory this idea also approaches the end of our timeframe. King Henry didn't reign until the 15 hundreds, when they already had gunpowder and the industrial revolution was preparing to start.

Another problem is coppicing doesn't make trunks it makes shoots which never really got that thick. We would need a new block to show this. I suppose we could use a leaf block also.

[transcengopher 349]

What is basically proposed within boundaries of our current tree mechanics is that unchopped stumps will sprout leaf blocks up of them. I think in about time required to grow a tree those should form a normal tree unless you keep it shaved. But as of right now - do we really need even more sticks? I guess, if tree didn't give you saplings, you could leave stump and eventually collect sapling from it. Maybe bush fencing for decoration as well.

But I'd wait to see what trees overhaul will bring first and discuss possible tweaks then.

[killster550 401]

it shouldnt be a ful lleaf block, just a chiseled down variant of it

[platanusoccidentalis 35]

In reply to Puxapuak, I feel that while this may be a useless feature for people who play alone, it is not useless in general, I feel you are overlooking the fact that the more people there are in an area, such as on servers with even just three people - the cutting of trees goes up significantly for clearing of land for homes, building homes, etc. Therefore, I feel that while you make a good point, I feel that this is not just a cosmetic benefit, however, I could be quite wrong indeed because I do not know anything about the current design of trees in the mod or where they are headed (in terms of scripting). Additionally, I feel you should realize that many people are constrained spatially - they build homes in the mountains or on islands - in these places, there is not a large area of land to be left alone to grow wild and then be cut. I hope you take this as a critique of your view and not a personal attack. Thanks for looking at my topic!

[Unicorn 26]

I meant irl, but now I understand that you meant below the tree. I thought that you meant a root house in the surface...

The roots could be very hard to dig...you'd need some sort of tool...not an axe but not a shovel...

[LordOfWolves 514]

The roots could be very hard to dig...you'd need some sort of tool...not an axe but not a shovel...

Yes, but there are 2 types of roots:

-The root that you can see, it's above the ground level and it's a strong root. Difficult to mine.

Something like this:

-The root that you can't see, it's below the ground level and it's easier to mine. You can find them at the end of the big roots.

Like these, but obviously below a tree.

[platanusoccidentalis 35]

I really like this idea regarding roots - one could make an elf village with this.

[Unicorn 26]

Yes, but there are 2 types of roots:

-The root that you can see, it's above the ground level and it's a strong root. Difficult to mine.

Something like this:

-The root that you can't see, it's below the ground level and it's easier to mine. You can find them at the end of the big roots.

Like these, but obviously below a tree.

Regardless, we still need a to figure out a way to acquire these roots...