Increasing the believability and satisfaction of mining

[dockwithme 76]

You can discuss of everything, but Bioxx doesn't want suggestions for the Propick. Then, until you don't suggest it, you can suggest what you want...apart NPCs...

Well this whole thread is talking about suggestions for mining, and in part, pro-picks.

[LordOfWolves 514]

Well this whole thread is talking about suggestions for mining, and in part, pro-picks.

Aggh, ok, but I advice you to not suggest something about propicks. Feel free, obviously, to continue talking about mining and everything you want, but no propicks. Also, I'm not scolding you, but yours is the first post in whichI found the propick word.

Now all my 2 posts have that word

[dockwithme 76]

It's in the OP too silly! And most people actually ask for an easier pro-pick. These suggestion make a little harder I think.

[ECC 508]

this suggestion is a rework from the ground up of geology, mining, and as a result the tools necessary to work in the new environment. this is not asking for a change to the propick, it is asking for a replacement.

[Pakislav 120]

The only cange to the pro pick I'd suggest would be it giving you the name of the type of stone you use it on.

[zedblade 0]

about the "prospector's pick" my suggestion is to substitute it or introduce the "resonance's pick"

that based on the noise (here add a sound that is most acute in relation to the distance) of the pick identifies the "real" direction (not the magnitude) of the vein but obviously not the type of material but initially only the direction (while keeping false negatives only) and if the pick is more valuable could also detect the type of material and lowering the percentage of false negatives.

What do you think? (tell me if I asked for the moon)

[killster550 401]

zed, in response to your now twice-threaded negativity on the Propick, READ:

and also, there is NOTHING wrong with it, it just needs skill to use

[transcengopher 349]

There won't be any immediate indication of "real" direction, I tell you that.

And there probably won't be sound indicators, because while different rocks sound different when hit, you won't really hear the difference immediately, and balancing pitches is work unbalanced with amount of gain.

[zedblade 0]

my suggestion is to ADD a new pick for searching ores and NOT to boycott the propick (though I find it absurd that a block reveals "very large vein" and immediately next reveals "nothing relevant") anyway my idea is to make more rich the tools for the searching ores activity.

There won't be any immediate indication of "real" direction, I tell you that.

And there probably won't be sound indicators, because while different rocks sound different when hit, you won't really hear the difference immediately, and balancing pitches is work unbalanced with amount of gain.

the "real" direction of the vein is based on the knowledge of the various sounds that each ores produces so it takes experience to hear any kind of sound and especially the tone of the sound that indicates the proximity I know it is a huge job if you want to differentiate each sound for each ore but this introduce a your real sense.

[killster550 401]

zed, you're a caveman, you hammer a rock with a metal pickaxe in the middle of a monster infested world, how the hell are you going to be sonar accurate with the tiniest bit of a sound?

remember, when making a suggestion, BELIEVABILITY goes in front of Realism by kilometres, but balance and believeability work together, your idea has NEITHER, its just a overpowered, unbelievable sonar pick

[zedblade 0]

when i digging i'm not in a cave but I'm underground in absolute silence, this is realism!!! the monsters are a obvious minecraft fantasy.

and congratulations "sonar" pick is a good way to give the name to my pick makes good idea.

[killster550 401]

zed, first of all, ALL hostile minecraft mobs right now are going to be moved underground and be replaced by natural predators.

second, the term REALISM will get you a lot of animosity on these forums, the mod is about believability, is it possible, not realism, is it like this IRL

thirdly, the sonar pick will NEVER happen, its simply too overpowered, even if it were codeable.

[zedblade 0]

zed, first of all, ALL hostile minecraft mobs right now are going to be moved underground and be replaced by natural predators.

second, the term REALISM will get you a lot of animosity on these forums, the mod is about believability, is it possible, not realism, is it like this IRL

thirdly, the sonar pick will NEVER happen, its simply too overpowered, even if it were codeable.

I'm happy to know that the stupid vanilla mobs will be replaced by natural predators (maybe you meant REAL predators ahahaha)

and you wonder what there is more believable than the reality?

perhaps I did not understand what you mean by believable and real? are not synonymous?

excuse my insistence but I want just to dream ...

[Ditto8353 202]

Dear Zed,

You're an idiot...

When using a prospector's pick, you are collecting and examining a sample of that rock. Based on what you find in that rock sample you are able to make some conjectures as to what lies nearby. However, sometimes the sample you collect, does not display the characteristics of nearby ore, which is why you receive false negatives. False positives do not exist because if you discover signs of copper nearby then there is surely copper nearby unless that sample had been placed there by someone else, which simply would not happen in a TFC world. Hopefully this explains the reasoning behind the prospector's pick in a way which makes it more understandable for you.

Now about your sonar pick...

You see, Zed, when modern humans employ sonar, they require highly advanced electronic equipment in order to emit the proper vibrations into the ground as well as to read the returning vibrations. Not only that, but a great deal of study is required in order to be able to properly analyze the data obtained from such a measurement. I implore you to think upon the technology available to mankind before 1600 BC and this should clear up any notions you've had concerning sonar.

Sincerely,

Ditto

The Official Forum Badass

P.S. Welcome to TFC.

[killster550 401]

i get the slight feeling his english skills might not be up to par in order to properly get your statements ditto, also, how come you get a official forum badass title but im still stuck as the novice blacksmith

[Kimbblesrath 503]

i get the slight feeling his english skills might not be up to par in order to properly get your statements ditto, also, how come you get a official forum badass title but im still stuck as the novice blacksmith

Dunk gave him the title. You asked for a title, Dunk refused (the first time that has ever happened..no hard feelings).

[Ditto8353 202]

i get the slight feeling his english skills might not be up to par in order to properly get your statements ditto, also, how come you get a official forum badass title but im still stuck as the novice blacksmith

Dunk awarded me the title after I behaved with the utmost dignity in the face of his depression-induced rage.

You have made plenty of contributions to the forums; ask Dunk if you can have a special title.

Edit: Didn't know you already asked. Dunk may have been in a bad mood that day? Who knows...

[killster550 401]

hmm yea, i guess aliens dont get special treatment here on earth, even if they are part of the Empire.

back on topic, the only true mining adjustment IN MY OPINION needs to be the stone block breaking speed for lower tier pickaxes, its incredibly frustrating to try and dig down far enough for some better metal with bismuth picks, only because it'll take forever to go down a few blocks, especially when you have to place support beams too

[zedblade 0]

Dear Zed,

You're an idiot...

When using a prospector's pick, you are collecting and examining a sample of that rock. Based on what you find in that rock sample you are able to make some conjectures as to what lies nearby. However, sometimes the sample you collect, does not display the characteristics of nearby ore, which is why you receive false negatives. False positives do not exist because if you discover signs of copper nearby then there is surely copper nearby unless that sample had been placed there by someone else, which simply would not happen in a TFC world. Hopefully this explains the reasoning behind the prospector's pick in a way which makes it more understandable for you.

Now about your sonar pick...

You see, Zed, when modern humans employ sonar, they require highly advanced electronic equipment in order to emit the proper vibrations into the ground as well as to read the returning vibrations. Not only that, but a great deal of study is required in order to be able to properly analyze the data obtained from such a measurement. I implore you to think upon the technology available to mankind before 1600 BC and this should clear up any notions you've had concerning sonar.

Sincerely,

Ditto

The Official Forum Badass

P.S. Welcome to TFC.

Dear Ditto,

You are a scientist instead and excuse my stupidity, but here we're not talking about PROPICK but about another WORLD, you see if I find a gold coin on the ground does not mean that nearby there is a treasure chest full of gold, it could be from miles away just like the propick actually works.

And then about the technology in 1600 BC, what else is the most technologically advanced of your ear?

Sorry for my English.

[zedblade 0]

however, I begin to appreciate the propick

ditto thanks for the great explanation

[transcengopher 349]

Dear Ditto,

You are a scientist instead and excuse my stupidity, but here we're not talking about PROPICK but about another WORLD, you see if I find a gold coin on the ground does not mean that nearby there is a treasure chest full of gold, it could be from miles away just like the propick actually works.

And then about the technology in 1600 BC, what else is the most technologically advanced of your ear?

Sorry for my English.

Now this looks like it was translated by Google. Maybe several times.

[killster550 401]

well at least he did place a nice disclaimer at the bottom

[zedblade 0]

Now this looks like it was translated by Google. Maybe several times.

and in the previous posts not looks? thanks for the compliment! ahauahuahauaa

[transcengopher 349]

I didn't read much of them. Maybe they do look like it, don't really care.

[Just_Another_Guy_:) 1,066]

ahauahuahauaa

That looks... somewhat familiar...

Whatever, would you mind telling us where are you from? Or at least what's your first language? So we can find someone to translate you a little better than google can... ._. You really shouldn't be using google translator for this kind of stuff.