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Horse meat

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Title says it all. With horses apparently on their way, as well as, probably, breeding system for them, I feel it needs to be done:

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Just for giggles.

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Or at least be suggested and then beaten to death with rocks, as I read that apparently eating horses is illegal in most european countries.

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Or at least be suggested and then beaten to death with rocks, as I read that apparently eating horses is illegal in most european countries.

Not italy. When here a wolf is hungry, they give it the damned horse meat :D.

Seriously, here it's not illegal, as far as I know.

However this is a logic suggestion, because, I mean, of course, when killed, horses will drop their meat, but not in jar.

We will see the work of Dunk [i_THINK]and probably this will be included[/i_THINK]

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I'd see no reason why not.

There's really no reason for horse meat to be illegal in any world.

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Well, I just searched for "braised horse meat", and this is as descriptive a picture as it gets, because there's no much difference in how horse meat and beef look.

Putting cooked meat in jars helps with preventing spoiling, and this can be potentially done in TFC, we have the technology. But it is matter for another suggestion.

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There's really no reason for horse meat to be illegal in any world.

I took it from wikipedia. Here.

It is a taboo food in English-speaking countries such as the United Kingdom, Ireland, the US, English Canada and in Australia; it is also taboo amongst the Romani people and in Brazil. Horse meat is not generally eaten in Spain, although the country exports horses both "on the hoof and on the hook" (i.e., live animals and slaughtered meat) for the French and Italian market. Horse meat is consumed in some North American and Latin American countries, and is illegal in some countries.

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Horse meat is forbidden by Jewish dietary laws because horses do not have cloven hooves and they are not ruminants.

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According to the anthropologist Marvin Harris,[6] some cultures class horse meat as taboo because the horse converts grass into meat less efficiently than ruminants. When breeding livestock for meat, a cow or a sheep will produce more meat than a horse if fed with the same amount of grass.

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I find this disturbing...

Leather? Fine. But honestly, I don't see a point for horse meat.

It would make more sense for horses not to drop meat, because it would make us actually breed cows and other animals who would have specialised purposes.

Otherwise it would be just a horse ranch everywhere, that makes horse leather attire, horse meat burgers, horse pie, horse stew, horse dogs, and organise horse races every other day.

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People in Mongolia used to live just like that for many centuries.

I suppose, knowing that horses require more food to grow additional kilogram of tasty meat, we could make it so horses eat more frequently than any other farm animals, so you would need to have bigger pastures to breed horses for slaughter.

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hmm living in switzerland...you can buy horse meat everywhere...

So yeah, count me in.

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I guess you can have it if you want it.

Poor ponies ;<

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Honestly, it is culture that determines what is 'edible'

there is no biological reason why we cant eat horses. Only moral dictations based by a culture.

I wouldnt eat my pets, but if I didnt know the meal was 'cat' It would do just fine in my stomach.

+1, present the players with possibilities, give them the choice to decline.

I want to go into other food products, including inedible foods, but I will leave that to you all.

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As a Dothraki, I approve.

As a normal human being, however, I'm all for animals dropping meat in general. I mean, if you're starving in the wild, any bit of non-putrid meat is good meat. Carnivore, herbivore (ruminant or non ruminant), fish, bird, or bug: if you're hungry, you should be able to eat whatever you can wrestle down for some amount of sustenance. The meat probably shouldn't be worth much compared to beef or veal or poultry, and breeding wouldn't change that, but you should be able to stave off hunger with whatever dies in front of you.

In lieu of a mechanic like that, I don't think it'll be happening. You should be able to harvest other materials such as bone, hair, and leather though.

- Horse lady to be working on horses

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Horse meat should be an implemented as an actual foodstuff in TerraFirmaCraft. But, it must have its use as a survival food, rather. In the American Civil War (This actually based off a historical book built on actual events I am reading), sometimes, the Union soldiers slaughter horses for meat should they ran out of pork for the wounded. Even when cooked, horse meat shouldn't be filling; in fact, it should had a filling at least half or three-fourth's worth of porkchops or steak. And breeding? There has to be a limitation from making a five-hundred-meter long horse ranch. I propose that breeded horses are incapable of dropping filling meat; in other words, they drop meat that has the lowest filling of any foodstuff in the game.

This helps a bunch?

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Like what sda said, I am for the idea of being able to eat most things. In a pure survival situation, you would do anything to survive really. not all things should be filling. You could eat bark if you needed to. The aboriginals actually used bark as a pain killer, so it could take away/block/limit any debuffs you had for the time being and run out in some time.

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No, just no, horse meat should be just like every other food product in game. it should and if I may speak out of turn will if implemented be designed just like other products found in game.

I am very tempted at this point to write up on how even players should drop Human Flesh and the game based benefits of that.

the only debuff that should exist on any food is stuff you are not supposed to eat. picked the wrong shroom? Nausea for an hour. Didn't prepare the blowfish? death in 20 minutes. bad preparation or eating actual toxic foods are the only things that should poison or harm you. Not eating something that in reality is not only done, but is common.

as for making horse meat 'less filling', I ask you to turn to people who have had it. a few in this forum may have already spoken up. Is it filling as say... that beef you had? yes? no? then that is the answer and we should abide by it instead of going 'ohh, I was raised to think thats disgusting. Everyone should think the same, devs do something.' ask someone who knows rather then make up stuff to adhere to your own values.

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Hello All

Just my two cents, in a little list.

1) Food is food, you can eat whatever you want and unless that whatever you want is outright poisionus then nothing should happen adversely to you. Horsemeat is a concentrated protein like any other kind of meat out there.

2) The adverse effects of eating this meat are what they are. If this bugs you you feel bad. There is no reason as to why the game should enforce something like this. I am not sure why it would make anyone feel better that you have negative status effects for eating something in a game when it does not give you a bad one when out of the game.

To sum my two pointed two cents up, the game should be made open for many ways to choose how to play it and not be skewed towards any one play style just because that is how You choose to play it. Will I eat horses? Nope. But if I got into a crappy random world where nothing but horses spawned and all the oceans and rivers dried up? You bet your ass I would. Because its a game and that is the world the game provided me to try and survive within.

Lets not limit what we are capable of.. removing functionality from a game just seems... stupid to me.

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No, just no. Horse meat should be just like every other food product in game. It should and if I may speak out of turn will if implemented be designed just like other products found in game.

I am very tempted at this point to write up on how even players should drop Human Flesh and the game based benefits of that.

The only debuff that should exist on any food is stuff you are not supposed to eat. Picked the wrong shroom? Nausea for an hour. Didn't prepare the blowfish? Death in 20 minutes. Bad preparation or eating actual toxic foods are the only things that should poison or harm you. Not eating something that in reality is not only done, but is common.

As for making horse meat 'less filling', I ask you to turn to people who have had it. a few in this forum may have already spoken up. Is it filling as say... that beef you had? Yes? No? Then that is the answer and we should abide by it instead of going 'ohh, I was raised to think thats disgusting. Everyone should think the same, devs do something.' Ask someone who knows rather then make up stuff to adhere to your own values.

In spite of a lacking of horse meat in my diet, I never really minded it. Sure, it may be controversial, but my point to coherently clear up the dust is that you shouldn't breed horses for food due to its multitude of uses. Even though I am aware that this arguement will fail, it doesn't make sense to breed horses as if it is livestock; it seems illogical in my standpoint. I am also aware that I shouldn't make the information up.

So here's a rundown:

-Horses shouldn't be breeded for food because it has imperative uses; and coding horse meat to be similar to any foodstuff product would be overpowered.

-Horse meat should be eaten if there isn't any sight of food unless you like bones, flesh, and gunpowder.

-For the purposes of balancing, it should not be significantly filling, but still enough to keep you fed.

Hello All,

Just my two cents, in a little list.

1) Food is food. You can eat whatever you want and unless that whatever you want is outright poisionous then nothing should happen adversely to you. Horsemeat is a concentrated protein like any other kind of meat out there.

2) The adverse effects of eating this meat are what they are. If this bugs you, you'll feel bad. There is no reason as to why the game should enforce something like this. I am not sure why it would make anyone feel better that you have negative status effects for eating something in a game when it does not give you a bad one when out of the game.

To sum my two pointed two cents up, the game should be made open for many ways to choose how to play it and not be skewed towards any one play style just because that is how you choose to play it. Will I eat horses? Nope. But if I got into a crappy random world where nothing but horses spawned and all the oceans and rivers dried up? You bet your a** I would, because it's a game and that is the world the game provided me to try and survive within.

Lets not limit what we are capable of. Removing functionality from a game just seems... stupid to me.

I completely agree, but foodstuffs should at least have some believable (and logical) sense to them.

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Agree with the above posts, Horse meat should carry its normal nutritional value with no debuff. If people think it is disgusting and don't want to eat it then this is an easily avoidable item just don't eat it.

Sda, it should be filling and act normal simply because it is a viable option, if someone wants to survive of horses, let them do so, it isn't my first choice but hey whatever floats your boat, who are we (Or Dunk and Bioxx) to restrict their options just because we don't like their dining choices.

Additionally......Crysyns back! I have been wanting to ask you because I apparently almost stole your idea, apologies for that, but is there anything on your mod/game/whatever else it could be called? Have you made progress? Do you have site or a thread somewhere? Will it be a game or a mod? Any additional details?

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Click ECC's link, open it in a new tab, and switch quickly between the IRC tab, and the one with the TFC forums.. :)

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Agree with the above posts, Horse meat should carry its normal nutritional value with no debuff. If people think it is disgusting and don't want to eat it then this is an easily avoidable item just don't eat it.

Sda, it should be filling and act normal simply because it is a viable option, if someone wants to survive of horses, let them do so, it isn't my first choice but hey whatever floats your boat, who are we (Or Dunk and Bioxx) to restrict their options just because we don't like their dining choices.

Additionally......Crysyns back! I have been wanting to ask you because I apparently almost stole your idea, apologies for that, but is there anything on your mod/game/whatever else it could be called? Have you made progress? Do you have site or a thread somewhere? Will it be a game or a mod? Any additional details?

My reason for horse meat not to be filling in MineCraft standards is that horses have played a great role in Humanity's History until the later 20th Century. I feel that if horses were to be implemented to assist the player as it did reality-wise, then horse meat might be overpowered. Also, I mentioned that horses SHOULD be a survivable foodstuff. However, I figured the output of horsemeat probably should diminish.

That sound good enough?

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No.

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No.

Well then, since you don't seem to understand that if horses were to act in such a way in TerraFirmaCraft as it did in Reality, along with horse meat being added might cause balancing issues, I shall not respond and let this thread take its course.

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explain how balancing a food because 'it can be ridden' is even balance. Install a craft-able sattles mod and pigs are suddenly OP by that standard. and crafting sattles by the way is actually reasonable, so dont even start on how OP that is in the first place.

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Explain how balancing a food because 'it can be ridden' is even balance. Install a craft-able sattles mod and pigs are suddenly OP by that standard. and crafting sattles by the way is actually reasonable, so don't even start on how OP that is in the first place.

Your analogy of swines suddenly becoming overpowered just by simply installing a craftable saddles modification is not so 'OP', even by my standards. You have seem to forgotten that horses can do more for humans than just simply 'it can be ridden': they can help plow fields, pull wagons and carts, be used in recreational activities, law enforcement work, and even in warfare! It's uses as a war machine, a method of transportation, a tool for agriculture, and a recreation vehicle all packaged into one animal is already enough for me. In truth, deep down I am not completely opposed to horses being slaughtered for food.

P.S. - I have an overly-compulsive disorder for balance, and THIS is the last post I am going to make in this thread, unless needed. Period.

P.S.S - I apologize for any misconvience; I just love a balance, and I get bothered when it goes haywire.

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My reason for horse meat not to be filling in MineCraft standards is that horses have played a great role in Humanity's History until the later 20th Century. I feel that if horses were to be implemented to assist the player as it did reality-wise, then horse meat might be overpowered. Also, I mentioned that horses SHOULD be a survivable foodstuff. However, I figured the output of horsemeat probably should diminish.

That sound good enough?

Horses are not breeding machines. They are only fertile half of a year (half of spring and fall and all of summer) and are not a good source of food because of that. It is not practical to breed horses especially when in the real world they cost so much to purchase and maintain. Those costs are not present in TFC but I am sure something will be worked out to while they can be eaten and no adverse effect should granted to the player, it simply does not make sense to .. But you actually have to be able to put them to good use. Avi will see to it that things are balanced out in the long run but it still makes no sense to try and force people to play how You want them to play.

Additionally......Crysyns back! I have been wanting to ask you because I apparently almost stole your idea, apologies for that, but is there anything on your mod/game/whatever else it could be called? Have you made progress? Do you have site or a thread somewhere? Will it be a game or a mod? Any additional details?

I have always been around I spend most of my time moderating the IRC channel and then coming on here to snap close forum topics that have become a detriment to the system. Feel free to stop on by any time and chatter at me there :)

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